Palestinian officials are accusing Israeli forces of carrying out “execution-style” killings in Gaza after the discovery of a mass grave containing at least 30 decomposing bodies. Some of the victims were blindfolded with their hands tied behind their backs with zip ties. The bodies were found on the grounds of a school in Beit Lahia. Al Jazeera spoke to one man who helped discover the bodies. Palestinian man: “Inside the schoolyard, we were shocked to find the dead bodies. Those are Palestinian civilians, blindfolded and handcuffed at the back. The dead bodies were kept inside black plastic bags.” The discovery of the mass grave comes as the death toll in Gaza has topped 27,000. At least another 66,000 have been injured. The group Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor is now estimating that more than 25,000 Palestinian children have lost one or both parents in Gaza over the past four months.

More video and eyewitness info on Al Jazeera so far

Also reported on Common Dreams and Middle East Eye.

I haven’t found any reports of any independent investigations yet, hopefully they are underway

  • kromem@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3015·
    9 months ago

    If you are asking for a devil’s advocate argument, we could start with the fact that the Jews weren’t exactly known for detaining, torturing, and mass executing their own.

    Hamas in 2014 allegedly tortured and killed 23 Palestinians under the cover of the Gaza conflict then by Amnesty.

    That’s not the only time they’ve executed Palestinians for alleged “collaboration.”

    You also have the fact that the Jews didn’t torture and kill hundreds of German civilians including women and infants to kick off a retaliation.

    While I think Likud show a disguising disregard for civilian life and suspect a number of their party would like to carry out a one sided genocide, I also think the “it’s the same thing as the Holocaust” is a pretty gross statement.

    It’s also probably prudent to not jump to conclusions in what’s actually taking place during the fog of war. I strongly suspect Israel is committing war crimes under the current administration, but I also remember the 2008 Goldstone report where they were accused of doing so after not participating in the process at all and then years later the person spearheading that inquiry said that had they known at the time the information they learned since, they would have had a different position towards the Israeli operations.

    Time has a way of revealing a lot of details that are lost in the moment, there’s probably unprecedented propaganda on both sides of this conflict, and while we should err on the side of humanitarian concerns in directing foreign policy and negotiations, the process of investigating allegations is extremely important.

    But to be frank, the knee jerk “this is identical to Nazi Germany killing the Jews” is ignorant as shit. You can’t just ignore the existence of Hamas and the fact it controls the region with its own war crimes (which, as has been the case for ISIS/ISIL and al-Queda, are often directed at their own dissidents with greater scope and violence than foreigners).

      • zerog_bandit@lemmy.worldEnglish
        79·
        9 months ago

        Sorry you’ll have to remind me, did the Jews end up in the Warsaw ghetto because they tried to exterminate the German race?

        Cause otherwise doesn’t really seem applicable to the current situation and such an ick comparison.

      • kromem@lemmy.worldEnglish
        37·
        9 months ago

        Maybe I missed it in your link, but where’s the part about the Jews murdering women and children, such as burning infants alive?

        Looking at the casualties, it seems their very limited relative body count were soldiers and police, often killed in action.

        Or did you miss that specification in what I wrote?

          • kromem@lemmy.worldEnglish
            35·
            9 months ago

            Also are you seriously talking about the AI infant propaganda that the White House had to walk back on after no evidence was presented?

            You seem to be confusing the specific report of beheaded infants for which there was no presented evidence with the well documented reports of infants killed and burned.

            There’s no dispute that infants were killed. Just whether their heads were removed from their bodies by a sharp object before they died.

            Also, what the hell does it have to do with AI? You sound delusional adding that in.

              • kromem@lemmy.worldEnglish
                24·
                9 months ago

                There’s nothing about AI in that article.

                Are you talking about the photo Ben Shapiro shared?

                An image expert said that was real and the AI detection tools that flagged it are fake have high false positives (which they do):

                But Hany Farid, a professor at UC Berkeley and an expert on digital image manipulation, says the photo is not fake.

                https://interestingengineering.com/culture/expert-debunks-ai-tools-claim-that-israels-photo-is-fake,

                Edit: More info about the expert cited from his Wikipedia page:

                Farid specializes in image analysis and human perception. He has been called the “father” of digital image forensics by NOVA scienceNOW. He is the recipient of a 2006 Guggenheim Fellowship and a 2002 Sloan Fellowship for his work in the field.