• Kalkaline @lemmy.one
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    1 year ago

    Russians invaded sovereign territory. That’s all you need to know about this war.

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        1 year ago

        Bu but it’s sovereign!

        You can make plenty of arguments about why the actions of Russia are wrong, but using the phrase sovereign territory like it’s the king’s divine right aint one.

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              Usa took over ukraines government and made them murder the people in east ukraine. The goal of usa is to put nukes in ukraine and to murder all ukrainians and russians. Usa is racist and wants them gone.

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                ROFL, you cannot be serious.
                This is some Q-anon level nonsense but then the russian version.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                  1 year ago

                  Ah yes, people like Chomsky and Mearsheimer are the conspiracy theorists and not you. Welcome to the blueAnon level ignorance.

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                    Their premise is: “Because these countries become part of NATO, russia is directly threatened.
                    And thus russia must act in self defense.” This is the abusers credo. “Look what you forced me to do!” and it should not be acceptable. Well spoken intellectuals do not change that.

                    Your question: conspiracy theorists; probably. Russian apologists, absolutely.

                    And even if you could justify the invasion as self defense, how do you justify the way they go about it?

                    • Using precision weapons on apartment buildings, and other civilian targets.
                    • Personalized atrocities against civilians in occupied cities
                    • Holding the world hostage with a nuclear power plant.
                    • Holding the worlds poorest for ransom with the grain deals.

                    Try not to pivot and point at others and say “but what about…” we can agree other things might be just as wrong or even worse, that is besides the point in this conversation.

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                    1 year ago

                    If you can think of any other example of the US doing something like this, I’d love to hear it.

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            1 year ago

            A link is not a proof of work, even a chatbot answer would’ve been better than that.

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                1 year ago

                If you can’t even be asked to summarise an erratic thought chain perhaps you shouldn’t be classist about it.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                  There’s nothing erratic about what I said. The article linked in the submission, which you obviously didn’t read either, summarizes precisely what happened. Maybe take a moment away from trolling to actually engage with the subject you’re attempting to debate here.