Masters, do the same to them, and stop your threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no partiality with him.
Doesn’t sound like Trump/Epstein, knife wielding, or bombing gazans behaviour to me.
1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.
An indentured servant is not comparable to a sex slave 🤦
And I show you a bit of the Bible which condemns enslaving people after you claim it is promoting slavery because it is apparently silent on the topic, and you just say “contradiction!” Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
I’ve read the Bible before I started going to Church full time. There’s nothing in it telling you who to vote for. Or to hate groups of people.
violent situation with all of your current support networks rugpulled from beneath you. It’s fucking terrifying.
My family has a mix of religious belief or lack thereof. I really doubt that would happen, considering my beliefs differ from my parents, and I have a sibling who is even a different religion.
Three random atrocities you list don’t hold any bearing.
As for your claim the scripture instructs you to “hate homosexuals”
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.
Where does it say to hate these people? The whole context of this conversation is talking about the law and addressing pharisees.
As for other groups, how do you reconcile disparities between what scripture instructs vs how the church acts? There’s a heavy red lean in christian voters despite Christ’s teachings largely boiling down to things decried as ‘woke’ today. Why is the modern culture surrounding christianity so blatantly at odds with the lore of christianity?
Irrelevant.
“Red” to me means leftist. But I assume you’re an American and talking about the American Republican party led by Donald Trump.
Pedantry aside, there are people who identify as Christian and fail to act on it. So what? Should I- someone who believes that God literally became man and died for our salvation, reject God’s gift because Karen in Mississippi hates mexicans? By no means!
How do I feel about the current president of the United States of America? I believe he is an evil antichrist and he along with those who idolise him need to repent and turn to Jesus before it’s too late for them.
It drops homosexuality smack-dab in the middle of some of humanity’s absolute worst.
And?
paints a pretty clear picture of how christians are to think of gay people.
Matthew 5:43-44
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbour and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
So we should love them if they are our enemies…
The evil shit committed by the church is the result of the instructions from the lore. So, hard disagree - it’s 100% relevant.
So close yet so far! The whole Bible is about how we as humans are evil and need a saviour. This “evil shit committed by the church” isn’t endorsed by the Bible at all! In fact, God’s standard is perfection!
Matthew 5:48
You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
We can’t be perfect,
Romans 5:8
but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
I have seen evil committed by Atheists as well, does that make every Atheist evil and depraved?
that’s be catering to christianity (in areas where christianity is the dominating religion… we could pretty well copy and paste this entire conversation subbed for islam or w/e if you wanted). It’s the same us-vs-them shit every time.
Yes. For example, Türkiye, the leaders often pay lip service to Islam. But if people who identify as Christians want non christian things, then populists will cater to that. Doesn’t mean Christianity is at fault. The American republican party can be the same but stop paying lip service to Jesus.
So should you- someone who believes in god, reject that mythology over the realization that it compels people to do evil things, consistently and frequently?
No. Because I don’t interpret the Bible to tell you to hate everyone who is sinful or different. I don’t interpret it to mean “you are better than everyone else” or “elect a fascist”. I think being a Christian means we need to act like Christ.
antichrist… he certainly checks a lot of the boxes. I can say with a pretty high degree of certainty that the folks here won’t be repenting in any meaningful way. Trump is their god; Jesus is just their mascot. …I’m not convinced it isn’t already too late for us.
Can’t argue with that. Not going to call the shots already and say he is THE antichrist, but he does check enough boxes to know that he should be avoided.
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Ephesians 6:9 ESV
Doesn’t sound like Trump/Epstein, knife wielding, or bombing gazans behaviour to me.
1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV
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An indentured servant is not comparable to a sex slave 🤦
And I show you a bit of the Bible which condemns enslaving people after you claim it is promoting slavery because it is apparently silent on the topic, and you just say “contradiction!” Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
I’ve read the Bible before I started going to Church full time. There’s nothing in it telling you who to vote for. Or to hate groups of people.
My family has a mix of religious belief or lack thereof. I really doubt that would happen, considering my beliefs differ from my parents, and I have a sibling who is even a different religion.
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Three random atrocities you list don’t hold any bearing.
As for your claim the scripture instructs you to “hate homosexuals”
Where does it say to hate these people? The whole context of this conversation is talking about the law and addressing pharisees.
Irrelevant.
“Red” to me means leftist. But I assume you’re an American and talking about the American Republican party led by Donald Trump.
Pedantry aside, there are people who identify as Christian and fail to act on it. So what? Should I- someone who believes that God literally became man and died for our salvation, reject God’s gift because Karen in Mississippi hates mexicans? By no means!
How do I feel about the current president of the United States of America? I believe he is an evil antichrist and he along with those who idolise him need to repent and turn to Jesus before it’s too late for them.
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And?
Matthew 5:43-44
So we should love them if they are our enemies…
So close yet so far! The whole Bible is about how we as humans are evil and need a saviour. This “evil shit committed by the church” isn’t endorsed by the Bible at all! In fact, God’s standard is perfection!
Matthew 5:48
We can’t be perfect,
Romans 5:8
I have seen evil committed by Atheists as well, does that make every Atheist evil and depraved?
Yes. For example, Türkiye, the leaders often pay lip service to Islam. But if people who identify as Christians want non christian things, then populists will cater to that. Doesn’t mean Christianity is at fault. The American republican party can be the same but stop paying lip service to Jesus.
No. Because I don’t interpret the Bible to tell you to hate everyone who is sinful or different. I don’t interpret it to mean “you are better than everyone else” or “elect a fascist”. I think being a Christian means we need to act like Christ.
Can’t argue with that. Not going to call the shots already and say he is THE antichrist, but he does check enough boxes to know that he should be avoided.
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