• Tolc@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    not really, we are talking about counter revolutionaries in a revolutionary socialist state.

    • GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world
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      1 day ago

      Who gets to determine who is an enemy of the revolution and who isn’t? This has historically let to some issues. Also, what mechanism keeps them accountable to protect human rights?

      All of this completely violates the sovereignty that each individual holds over themselves, but for the sake of argument.

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        1 day ago

        human rights is bourgeosie propaganda and western weapon to shun revolutionaries. Its hypocritical to see capitalists talk about human rights.

        Also the vanguard decides who is counter revolutionary and who is not. Just like the capitalist courts decide who is criminal who is not. Collective good will and should always be above individualistic rights.

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          1 day ago

          Han rights being propaganda is certainly a take. None of what you said mentioned any mechanism of accountability for this “vanguard”. Who gets to be said vanguard? How will this not just end with another set of elites (relabeled " party loyalists") and another set of workers suffering from the extreme wealth inequality brought about? This just sets the stage for another revolution with all the death and destruction the follows.

          I have found that the people who wish for this path the most are the least capable at building and creating, leaving them an awful choice to rebuild a society after a civil conflict.

          What if someone wanted to leave this " socialist paradise"? Do they have that ability or will this “vanguard” stop them?

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            1 day ago

            I didnt say human rights itself is propaganda

            If you need to learn more about vangaurd, read lenin

            no one talked about socialist paradise

            you are incapable.

                • GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world
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                  1 day ago

                  Which is precisely why people who think like you will never hold real power. You need to convince people your ideas are good, because its people that ultimately make things happen.

                  Your ideas sound like a good way to get people I don’t want in my business permanently fucking with me. Your ideas are all academia, no humanity. All theory, no pragmatism.

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                    1 day ago

                    I am convincing people my idea are good.

                    imagine telling someone to read about the father of the ideology that has led us to this breaking global order.