But the protests for women’s liberation were real, and the Iranian regime shut off the internet during those protests in order to suppress them. Even if Mossad was involved in stirring up that unrest it does not justify the state crackdown, nor can it be denied that there is grassroots support for women’s liberation in Iran. If you want your country to be less susceptible to manipulation by foreign agents your best bet is to give the people what they want so that they aren’t negatively polarized against their government in the first place. Every injustice enforced is an exploitable weakness that your adversaries can seize upon.
I agree that women’s rights not only can, but should be improved in Iran. The important nuance here, though, is that social progress is severely stunted when a society is under active siege and infiltration. All states inevitably become more repressive than they otherwise would be when their legitimate security concerns are relentlessly violated. The quest of the Iranian people for social progress is interconnected with the quest of the Iranian people for sovereignty.
Mossad infiltrating the protests, that started with legitimate grievances, exacerbated the violence in an attempt to weaken the Iranian state, preceding the war. It was deliberate, and not for the benefit of women in any capacity. Iranians now are more socially cohesive than before the protests ramped up precisely due to the resistance against imperialist aggression.
I agree with all of that except for the inevitability of repression in a society under siege. Yes, that is a historical trend, but it’s also a choice that leadership makes, and it’s the wrong one. If the Iranian government made concessions on women’s rights, queer rights, etc. while holding firm on national sovereignty it would reduce the level of negative polarization the Iranian people have towards their government giving Mossad less to work with to destabilize Iran.
I can agree with it being the morally wrong decision by leadership while also understanding that the progression of history is driven primarily by material conditions, rather than the actions of individuals. The social struggle in Iran is one that is driven by the consciousness of the masses in Iran, and their struggle at this moment is principally against Israeli and Statesian aggression. Unfortunately, the fight for women’s rights in Iran cannot be genuinely struggled against when Israel and the US take every chance they can to leverage that into being able to commit genocide against the Iranian people.
Would it be excellent if women’s rights were improved from the top-down in Iran? Yes. Is it likely to happen? No. This is why taking a materialist analysis of the Iranian war and events leading up to it is so critical for understanding our historic moment.
Regardless, the Iranian people presently near-fully support the IRGC and the Iranian government. Even if some do have a desire to socially reform Iran, achieving better rights, right now it’s secondary by far to surviving the war and maintaining sovereignty. That’s why these struggles are interconnected so closely.
I’ve actually already seen this video, and it doesn’t change my stance. Iranian leadership has a choice in how they respond to foreign manipulation and they do not have to respond with repression of their own populace for fear of their adversaries taking advantage of social unrest when they could instead reduce social unrest by making concessions.
You’re taking to someone that unironically claims North Korea is a legitimate communist state. Also uses gpt for all their comments. If you’re engaging in good faith you’re wasting your time because cowbee is a pure tankie propagandist.
I do belive the DPRK is a legitimate socialist state, yes. The economy is worker run and controlled. They are incredibly poor, largely due to sanctions, but like Cuba they stretch what they do have very far. That’s also why Cuba and the DPRK have such strong and positive relations, with Cuba only recognizing the ROK in 2024.
As for the idea that I use LLMs for any of my comments, that’s false. I sometimes copy chunks from older comments if I have already addressed a topic in detail, but I have never used any LLM for any of my comments. No idea where this came from, other than the fact that some of my comments are longer, which really is just because I’m a yapper. I don’t appreciate the baseless allegations of LLM use as a means to undermine my points, if you oppose what I’m saying, tell me directly.
I am definitely a communist and a propagandist, I agree with that. I believe socialism to be necessary, and devote time and money to organizing work and outreach. I definitely fit the definition of propagandist as someone deliberately trying to get people to become sympathetic to socialism and communism and join an org, but that doesn’t mean what I say is incorrect either. It’s all true.
If you disagree with what I have to say, tell me directly. Don’t just lie to others about me in an attempt to undermine socialist talking points, it’s enormously bad-faith to do so.
But the protests for women’s liberation were real, and the Iranian regime shut off the internet during those protests in order to suppress them. Even if Mossad was involved in stirring up that unrest it does not justify the state crackdown, nor can it be denied that there is grassroots support for women’s liberation in Iran. If you want your country to be less susceptible to manipulation by foreign agents your best bet is to give the people what they want so that they aren’t negatively polarized against their government in the first place. Every injustice enforced is an exploitable weakness that your adversaries can seize upon.
I agree that women’s rights not only can, but should be improved in Iran. The important nuance here, though, is that social progress is severely stunted when a society is under active siege and infiltration. All states inevitably become more repressive than they otherwise would be when their legitimate security concerns are relentlessly violated. The quest of the Iranian people for social progress is interconnected with the quest of the Iranian people for sovereignty.
Mossad infiltrating the protests, that started with legitimate grievances, exacerbated the violence in an attempt to weaken the Iranian state, preceding the war. It was deliberate, and not for the benefit of women in any capacity. Iranians now are more socially cohesive than before the protests ramped up precisely due to the resistance against imperialist aggression.
I agree with all of that except for the inevitability of repression in a society under siege. Yes, that is a historical trend, but it’s also a choice that leadership makes, and it’s the wrong one. If the Iranian government made concessions on women’s rights, queer rights, etc. while holding firm on national sovereignty it would reduce the level of negative polarization the Iranian people have towards their government giving Mossad less to work with to destabilize Iran.
I can agree with it being the morally wrong decision by leadership while also understanding that the progression of history is driven primarily by material conditions, rather than the actions of individuals. The social struggle in Iran is one that is driven by the consciousness of the masses in Iran, and their struggle at this moment is principally against Israeli and Statesian aggression. Unfortunately, the fight for women’s rights in Iran cannot be genuinely struggled against when Israel and the US take every chance they can to leverage that into being able to commit genocide against the Iranian people.
Would it be excellent if women’s rights were improved from the top-down in Iran? Yes. Is it likely to happen? No. This is why taking a materialist analysis of the Iranian war and events leading up to it is so critical for understanding our historic moment.
Regardless, the Iranian people presently near-fully support the IRGC and the Iranian government. Even if some do have a desire to socially reform Iran, achieving better rights, right now it’s secondary by far to surviving the war and maintaining sovereignty. That’s why these struggles are interconnected so closely.
You should watch Johnny Harris’ video about the Western puppet regimes installed in Iran.
Maybe worry a little more about US laws restricting freedom for women lately.
I’ve actually already seen this video, and it doesn’t change my stance. Iranian leadership has a choice in how they respond to foreign manipulation and they do not have to respond with repression of their own populace for fear of their adversaries taking advantage of social unrest when they could instead reduce social unrest by making concessions.
You’re taking to someone that unironically claims North Korea is a legitimate communist state. Also uses gpt for all their comments. If you’re engaging in good faith you’re wasting your time because cowbee is a pure tankie propagandist.
I do belive the DPRK is a legitimate socialist state, yes. The economy is worker run and controlled. They are incredibly poor, largely due to sanctions, but like Cuba they stretch what they do have very far. That’s also why Cuba and the DPRK have such strong and positive relations, with Cuba only recognizing the ROK in 2024.
As for the idea that I use LLMs for any of my comments, that’s false. I sometimes copy chunks from older comments if I have already addressed a topic in detail, but I have never used any LLM for any of my comments. No idea where this came from, other than the fact that some of my comments are longer, which really is just because I’m a yapper. I don’t appreciate the baseless allegations of LLM use as a means to undermine my points, if you oppose what I’m saying, tell me directly.
I am definitely a communist and a propagandist, I agree with that. I believe socialism to be necessary, and devote time and money to organizing work and outreach. I definitely fit the definition of propagandist as someone deliberately trying to get people to become sympathetic to socialism and communism and join an org, but that doesn’t mean what I say is incorrect either. It’s all true.
If you disagree with what I have to say, tell me directly. Don’t just lie to others about me in an attempt to undermine socialist talking points, it’s enormously bad-faith to do so.