I’ll start:

  • RSS and blogs, news vs. social media
  • XMPP vs. WhatsApp/FB messenger/Snapchat
  • IRC vs. Matrix, Teams, Discord etc.
  • Forums vs. Social media, Reddit, Lemmy(?)
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      Do people not use it anymore? I still do. I follow a boatload of different youtube channels, webcomics, blogs, etc. If there’s some other way besides RSS to have all of those updates show up on a single page, I don’t know it.

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        That’s what I used twitter for tbh. Since everyone is on it it’s easy to follow people, get instant updates and maybe even discover something new through the people you follow and their likes. It’s really a shame it went to shit, it was the lurkers perfect tool, especially when it comes to artists or content creators.

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          1 year ago

          Not everyone is on twitter, but lots (all?) of Content Management Systems and blogs have a RSS feed.

          As an academic, I’m syndicated to several labs and research groups which have their own websites, but don’t care about being visible on Twitter.

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    1 year ago

    The Thunderbird desktop mail client is far better (feature-rich, stable, interoperable) than any webmail or phone app mail client I’ve ever seen.

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      Microsoft Outlook, from what I’ve seen of it, is horrible compared to Thunderbird. Why anyone would use the former is beyond me. You can’t even easily see message headers, so how the hell are you supposed to know whether a message is legit?

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    1 year ago

    Sadly, oftentimes, Forums are replaced by discord, despite… how different those are.

    And, discord is inferior in so many ways. Not only you can’t easily search for the content, you also need an account on centralized proprietary software, that also is quite resource heavy. Not to mention the privacy concerns.

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      1 year ago

      It’s also very hard, if not impossible in some cases to find old conversations on discord, vs forums where they’re mostly preserved for eternity.

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    1 year ago

    Agree on RSS.

    Don’t have enough experience with XMPP.

    IRC is not a secure protocol, I think matrix takes the cake there. (although I really miss IRC)

    Lemmy and Reddit do have an upvote feature and aggregation across different topics / communites, which I think it’s what old school forums lacked.

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      1 year ago

      The real problem with IRC had always been that it didn’t really scale. It’s fine for a few hundred people, but eventually shit just breaks.

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      1 year ago

      Yes, often overlooked. And, I hear, almost impossible to selfhost these days without a degree in CS, because “we block all non big tech e-mail providers”.

      • A1kmm@lemmy.amxl.com
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        I’ve heard a lot of people say it, but it feels like FUD - it really isn’t as hard as people say. I host my own mailserver (well, I use a VPS, so the provider does the hardware and the networking, but I do the mailserver). And I don’t have a degree in Computer Science (well, I do have a PhD in Bioengineering that involved software-adjacent research, and did a few undergraduate CS papers - but none of that covered anything relevant to mail, so is not relevant here).

        Delivering from commercial rather than residential IP space probably helps - and try to get an IP address that hasn’t been previously used by a spammer. If you set up DMARC with DKIM and SPF (lots of abbreviations, but look them up if you want to set up a mail server), you will be deliverable (at low email volumes) to the majority of places already. Microsoft is the one exception, but just send a bit of email to them that isn’t spam (can be to one of your own accounts), and if need be fill in their form to complain you are being blocked incorrectly, and you will get deliverability at low volumes.

        All of that is enough for normal personal or business emails at normal volumes to be deliverable pretty much anywhere you like, and it doesn’t take long to get there. If you want to send legitimate bulk newsletters and the like, it is a bit harder (basically, you have to warm up the IP and not grow too fast), but also not impossible - but understandable businesses doing that want to pay for someone else to have done that for them, and that is where advice not to run your own server comes from. But for the average person who doesn’t run mailing lists, getting deliverability is not that hard. And the more people who run their own servers, the harder it is for those who would make email a walled garden to get their way on it - so it is for the greater good.

        The bigger challenge with running your own server is actually not other’s anti-abuse measures, it’s that you have to have your own anti-abuse measures if you don’t want a mountain of spam and your logs filled with people trying to brute force you. It isn’t that hard, but a few tips: 1) install packages for your mailserver from your distro, and update early, update often, 2) use keys rather than passwords for protocols (like ssh) where you can, and use long secure passwords where you have to (e.g. for IMAP and submission logins), 3) read the docs for your mail server to make sure you aren’t set up to be an open mail relay please! Check authentication is required with a secure password or you will get blocked by everyone as a spam source, 4) use something like fail2ban to block brute forcers before they fill up your logs, 5) consider SpamAssassin and postgrey (or some other greylisting solution) to cut back on spam, 6) there is a tiny handful of ASNs on the Internet that allow spammers and don’t take any meaningful action against them. You can do a daily download from https://archive.routeviews.org/oix-route-views/oix-full-snapshot-latest.dat.bz2 and bzgrep it with a command like bzgrep -e " (213035|400377|399471|210654|46573|211252|62904) i" $TEMPDIR/snapshot.bz2 | cut -d" " -f 3 | sort | uniq to get a list of IP ranges that are more likely to be spam than anything else (obviously, never use one of those providers since they are widely blocked). Script blocking traffic from them with iptables, and your spam volume will fall greatly. 7) if a spam does get through, check the headers and report it to the ISP it came from - you will be helping to shut down spam for everyone, making it easier to run small mail servers.

        I run my own mail server for US$5/month (on VPS compute resource shared with other things, not just for mail), it is mostly automated (and can be redeployed with Ansible if need be), I rarely need to touch it aside from checking upgrades are working etc…, and I haven’t had a deliverability problem in ages, and I now get pretty minimal spam (and the spam that does get through is reliably filtered by Thunderbird’s spam filters at the client).

        So please don’t let the naysayers deter you from self-hosting your mail, it’s really not that hard, especially compared to the constant stress that providers like Google might lock you out of your account for vague “security” reasons, shadowban you, sell information from your emails for marketing, decide to cancel the service, or whatever other abusive thing they dream up next.

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          1 year ago

          Thanks for the reply and the technical details. And great to hear that hosting your own mail is still possible for us mere mortals. That’s the world I want to live in!

      • mim@lemmy.sdf.org
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        Probably even with a CS degree.

        It’s just a hassle to maintain, and too mission critical to have it go down.

        I wonder if the same won’t happen with the fediverse, if we let some instances get too large.

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    USENET. Replacements aren’t distributed, or make discussion group discovery difficult, or don’t have decent native desktop clients, or some combination of those.

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        Because clients can present very different interfaces, it’s difficult to point to a single guide, but the basic principles are simple enough: get a client, point it at a server ( https://www.eternal-september.org/ provides a free one if your ISP no longer has its own, but it doesn’t carry the alt.binaries subhierarchy), download the list of available groups, subscribe to a few, read, and enjoy.

        As for which client, I use Pan, but that’s Linux-specific. For other OSs, I haven’t a clue. If you happen to use Thunderbird for email, I think it still has the necessary support.

        Keep in mind, though: USENET died in part from lack of good moderation options, so all you can do about bad actors and spam floods is block messages from those posters from being visible in your client. Moderated groups did exist, but the system basically amounted to one person having to okay every single message posted, which meant there was a single point of failure. For instance, when the moderator of rec.arts.anime.info died unexpectedly, it became impossible for anyone to post to the group.

        90% of the news hierarchy is a wasteland these days anyway—I use it mostly for monitoring some of the mailing lists from my Linux distro, which happen to have a USENET repeater. The only other area doing well is the binaries groups.

        If you’re interested in running a server, start by making sure you have a good-sized data pipe—I’m not sure what the average size of a feed is now, but ten years ago it was measured in the tens of gigabytes per day (mostly binaries).

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    1 year ago

    Forums and Wikis vs. Discord

    Yes I know, they shouldn’t serve the same purpose, but oftentimes nowadays people communities use discord when they should use a forum or a wiki.

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    uMatrix browser extension. It has been marked archived by Gorhill, last release is two years old, you are supposed to just use uBlock [Origin]. However, it still (luckily) works fine and is exactly what I want. (Sure, I won’t install this for my parents.) The GUI to simply choose what you want the site to be allowed to do is perfect.

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    I’ll second IRC. I don’t need my chat to be e2ee, and encryption has made Matrix a much bigger pain in the ass than it’s worth to me.

    Forums, too, though I’m a big fan of the distributed social media space. Lemmy has an experimental front-end based on phpBB, and I would love to see someone take that idea and go whole hog on it to create proper federated forums.

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      I understand why I should care about encryption, in theory. In practice, 90% of the time, I don’t. If I’m texting my kids ‘hey where are you?’ or my husband: what do you want for dinner?’ or a friend, ‘hey, come hang out!’ - I just don’t care. And putting up with all the hassles that come with encryption via matrix… It’s just, generally, far more hassle than it’s worth, IMHO.