Are you also against diverse representation in media? That’s been pushed for years, and to an extent we’ve succeeded. There’s no reason we can’t do the same for male role models

This is the pick yourself up by your bootstraps version of raising a child. You can’t seriously expect a 12 year old to have enough wisdom and initiative to do this? Why do we have this unrealistic expectation that men are super capable and just choose to be failures? It’s the same system that fails everybody else, that’s also failing them

Yeah totally, fighting it also helps buy more time and minimise the “too fast” part

I think you’re taking it too literally, the books have many statements that are contradictory. It’s about the general message. In general, the bible is very pro-children, it has passages where God literally tells people he made them in the womb himself. And funnily enough, modern highly Christian nations have these ideals, and takes them to extremes.

The Qur’an has a lot of violent punishment, which is then in a lot of cases moderated in modern Islamic countries. Saudi Arabia for example, may only cut off one hand for thievery, or none if the crime is light enough. It sets precedent and normalises these actions

Yes, but there are multiple references to cutting off hands/feet. It’s hardly setting a good example.

We don’t try to excuse Christianity and their god awful abortion takes as local culture

I don’t understand why we give Islam a pass, a lot of the religion is based on the same barbaric Christian beliefs that we’re all too happy to very rightly call out and shit on. I’d even say the Qur’an is worse than the Christian bible in many ways, given the war heavy times it was written in.

We obviously need to be careful of equating Muslim with brown, and I get that a lot of people are just racist and don’t have a more in-depth understanding of the actual religion. But the religion of Islam itself doesn’t just deserve a free pass because of that

I’m not disagreeing, I also don’t want these models producing CSAM.

But in the hypothetical that we have a clean model that still generates CSAM, what would be your argument against it?

Not taking sides, but his argument hinged on the stable diffusion model not having CSAM in it, and using non-CSAM images in order to generate CSAM.

So he’s already answered the question of what the models are trained on.

Whether those models actually are clean/safe is a different question.

I cannot tell if this argument is for, against, or just dumb