Hahaha really? I was joking. Murica was playing the long game I guess.

Should have bought American. Other than Boeing. Sucks to suck.

-----> /s <------ There you go. I was joking Lemmy. Learn how to read between the fucking lines, tankie neck beards.

My favorite thing about arguing with racist Europeans is that they are CONVINCED they aren’t racist, even though they literally just told me that Syrians are disgusting people who need to go home. Or this totally true story you just said.

If you are starting to like a European, especially a German, make sure to ask them their opinions on Syrians and Turks. Their answers may surprise you!

They sure as fuck surprised me 😰

That’s literally every far right person. They sure as fuck are never optimistic besides maybe selfishly. I imagine this has been true forever.

Holy shit. Just wow.

Dude, I really don’t give a damn about Israel. Seems like a nice place to visit. I know they’re killing civilians and I’ve said that. So why are you pushing me like I’m some shill? Because this video? There’s no evidence of any kind except observation. Anything else is conjecture, but there’s useless emotional conjecture and detached, deductive, logical type conjecture. I use belong in the latter.

I don’t know your source but I looked them up and they seem fine, with a possible bias as the founder is Pakistani, but who knows. A quote from another org inside of an article is not how to win people over. If you like a quote, go to the quote directly.

You’ve turned me off the conversation, with your baseless and cliche accusation, however. Insufferable.

Global Village Space? Thats where your link goes.

They aren’t listening, they’re reacting, like the others.

Stop being hung up on the unarmed thing. All the badguys in movies are armed to make it clear to the audience and make it “justified”. Unarmed soldiers and military personnel make up a much larger chunk of casualties than you realize. Terrorists don’t just toss their guns to the side and claim immunity. They are still targets.

Anyway, I’ve made my points clear, I’ve explained various things using traceable, sound logic. You seem to have to not read it or comprehended it. I’m not going to waste my time with unreasonable, volatile people.

You’re right, you can’t do that.

Also you’re wrong, you don’t need to prove that. At least not publicly which is what you seem to be implying. Intelligence has to prove that these people, or some of them, are Hamas, likely of some significance, maybe not. Then they have to be identified, monitored, and tracked for a strike opportunity. Then, when the entire chain of command is in agreement that that’s their guy and this is the best time, they attack.

In your version, the drone operator seems to have infinite ammo and gleeful fire-at-will orders. Killing anyone who is “just walking down the street.” Maybe the soldiers on the ground operate that way, but not drones or jets.

This reasoning is based on emotional assumptions and simplistic, naive logic.

The IDF doesn’t have to explain anything, and neither does Hamas. This is war, not a riot.

The source you gave is from a biased organization.

What makes it obvious?

Staying on the topic at hand, and only that, this is war. Killing an enemy on the field has no system of public review. Everything is internal. Neither IDF or Hammas has to provide proof of anything to anybody for any reason except when propagandantistic PR is at play (like you mentioned). At least not now. There will surely be tribunals after this war is “settled.” The only direction proof goes is up the chain of command. I won’t pretend to understand the complexity of target selection and acquisition (especially foreign nations and certainly not terrorists), but I know that that’s how it works. There is no burden of proof, whatsoever.

Those are the cold facts.

Opinion, etc: I hope you don’t read this as some kind of defence or exoneration of any malicious, evil, callous, or accidental killing commited of innocents. I unequivocally do not want or excuse killing civilians. Anyone who does is hideously evil. However, I think a reality check is necessary.

The “burden of proof” is a security blanket most of the world enjoys and vaguely understands. When they see some horrible violence of war, fed to them without context by compromised sources, it’s easy to make assumptions and demand justice. And many of those times, you should, just ideally without the assumptions and propaganda. This isn’t one of this times. I know that the IDF is commiting war crimes, but this video is just war.

That’s speculation based on a tweet from Israeli propaganda. You can see the missiles in the video.

This is insanity. To be blocked about what I asked? How I asked if? Unbelievable avoidance.

I agree with your points. I’m gonna reply to you but be talking to anyone reading too. Thanks for your comment and critique.

Flat out though, the IDF is killing civilians. This is known.

But based off the comments and videos, I don’t think anything is known at all, but it seems unlikely these were civilians. Bizarrely, nearly everyone in this thread, and everyone who is going to downvote me, seems to want them to be civilians.

I would assume people would prefer them to be Hamas, who are terrorists and at the very least complicit in the massacre and kidnapping of Israeli civilians.

Outrage eliminates critical thinking and then anything that reinforces that outrage must be true.

I trust Al Jazeera, and I mourned their closure of Al Jazeera America as I was a supporter. But I could never trust anything they wrote about Israel and Gaza. It was barely veiled propaganda. This video is incindiary sensationalism because we are given zero context, but lots of guessing. By releasing this grizzly footage without context, that shows intent to exploit emotions and let us fill in the gaps. People really suck at this.

I’m really glad a bunch people, especially people like you, replied. It was fairly easy to separate the wheat from the chaff (that doesn’t mean only people who confirmed my suspicions btw) They/you spoke in terms of fact, objectivity, not in guesses, assumptions, and emotion.

To anyone who reads this ramble: If any journalist, holy-person, video, podcast, head-of-state, or meme is demanding your outrage, do not trust them because that is what propaganda looks like. This is a foundational aspect of media literacy and resisting the influence of power.

The comments here are disturbing me.

This is very interesting.

I would also like to know why this camera drone is there, and why it’s following these guys, and how the operator has the best luck getting perfect footage.

Edit: This seems to be leaked footage from an Israeli intelligence/targeting drone. If that’s true, then that would prove that at least one of these were military targets.

Based on the video and logical deduction, this scenario seems to be the most probable.

If someone has another hypothesis on this subject, I would be very interested to read it. Assuming you don’t just downvote and attack me.