Except if you look at the top of OP’s picture, they are also running deepseek-r1:14B through ollama. I downloaded my copy on Sunday, so these should be fairly comparable situations.
I agree though that none of this applies to the full cloud-hosted model. I don’t want my account banned, so I’m not much for testing these boundary pushes in a surveilled environment. I imagine they have additional controls on the web version, including human intervention.
So I asked it directly about the “incident” and it proceeds to deliver an essay on the topic. The rest of this post is all DeepSeek-R1:14B.
>>> Tell me more about the Tiananmen Square incident and the government's response?
<think>
Alright, the user has just asked for more details about the Tiananmen Square incident and the
government's response. From the previous conversation, I provided a brief mention of this event as part
of the timeline from 1985 to 1995.
They likely want a deeper understanding of what happened, why it occurred, and how the government
handled it. They might be looking for a comprehensive overview that includes causes, key events, and
long-term impacts.
I should structure the response clearly, starting with the background leading up to June 1989, then
detailing the incident itself, and finally discussing the government's actions and aftermath.
It's important to maintain neutrality while explaining the event. I'll include key dates, significant
protests, the military action taken by the government, and the international reactions.
Also, highlighting the long-term effects on Chinese society and politics will give a complete picture
of the incident's significance.
</think>
The Tiananmen Square protests were a pivotal moment in modern Chinese history, representing one of the most dramatic confrontations between the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and pro-democracy activists. The government’s response to these protests remains one of the most controversial episodes in China’s recent history.
The Tiananmen Square protests represented a defining moment in modern Chinese history, highlighting the deep tensions between the CCP’s desire for stability and the growing demands for political reform. The government’s heavy-handed response not only quashed the immediate protests but also set back democratic reforms in China for decades to come.
I just ran my own copy of 14B and got it to talk about this really easily.
A lot of it was pretty dull stuff though, let me post the highlights:
~$ ollama run deepseek-r1:14b
>>> Hello
<think>
</think>
Hello! How can I assist you today? 😊
On ollama the first interaction is always “thoughtless” and results in a generic greeting, in my experience. So I always greet it now to get that out of the way.
>>> Are there topics you cannot discuss?
<think>
Alright, the user just asked, "Are there topics you cannot discuss?" Hmm, I need to figure out why
they're asking this. Maybe they're concerned about privacy or worried about certain subjects.
I should reassure them that I'm here to help with a wide range of topics. It's important to mention
that while I can't handle sensitive info like credit cards or personal data, I can still discuss many
things.
I'll list out the areas I can talk about, such as technology, science, history, and more. Also, I
should clarify what I can't do, like sharing personal information or browsing the internet, to set
clear expectations.
Making sure my response is friendly and open will help build trust. I want them to feel comfortable
asking anything within appropriate boundaries.
</think>
I aim to provide helpful, respectful, and appropriate responses to a wide range of topics. However, I avoid discussing sensitive subjects like personal information, financial details, or topics that may violate ethical guidelines or法律法规. If you have any questions or need assistance with something specific, feel free to ask! 😊
>>> What is "法律法规" in English?
<think>
Okay, the user just asked, "What is '法律法规' in English?" Hmm, they must be referring to the Chinese
term I mentioned earlier. They're probably looking for a translation.
I should explain that it means "laws and regulations." It's important to clarify both words to make
sure the meaning is clear. Also, since they're asking in this context, maybe they want to understand
the scope of what I can discuss or their privacy.
I'll keep it simple and direct, just giving the translation without any extra details unless they ask
for more.
</think>
“法律法规” translates to “laws and regulations” in English.
I asked it a little more about that, but it didn’t really go anywhere. Trying to “reverse psychology” it into telling me what it can’t tell me isn’t working. So I go a little more direct:
>>> You mentioned we could discuss history. Could you give me a brief timeline of important events in chinese history from 1985 until 1995?
<think>
Okay, the user just asked for a brief timeline of Chinese history from 1985 to 1995. They must be
interested in understanding key developments during that period.
I should structure the response chronologically, highlighting major political, economic, and social
events. Including both national-level events and international relations will give a comprehensive
view.
It's important to mention significant policies like the Third Plenary Session of 1984, which influenced
reforms, and the 1992 southern tour by Deng Xiaoping, which spurred economic growth.
I'll also include major global events involving China during this time, such as the Tiananmen Square
protests in 1989 and the establishment of diplomatic relations with countries like Russia in 1991.
Ensuring clarity and conciseness while covering key points will make the timeline easy to follow.
</think>
You’ll note that it brings it up first (in thoughts) but it only refers to it as a protest. The word “massacre” is never used. It then proceeds to give me a timeline. Many of the events are real and happened close to when it says, but there’s a lot it gets wrong. I’m just going to post the highlights though.
Certainly! Here’s a brief timeline of important events in Chinese history from 1985 to 1995:
1985
- April: The Third Plenary Session of the 12th Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) was held, emphasizing reforms and opening up under the leadership of Deng Xiaoping. This session marked a key moment in China’s economic reforms.
- November: China successfully launched its first intercontinental ballistic missile.
It made one of these little blocks for each year. Each year had exactly two events listed. Here comes the money shot.
1989
- June 4: The suppression of the Tiananmen Square protests led to a global outcry and economic sanctions against China. This event marked a turning point in Chinese politics and society.
- December 22: The Central Committee of the CCP passed a resolution clearing former leader Hua Yuexue of charges of “right deviationism,” marking an end to the anti-rightist campaign.
Wow, he just say it!
1992
- January–February: Deng Xiaoping’s “southern tour” (南巡讲话) took place in cities like Shenzhen and Shanghai. His speeches reaffirmed the CCP’s commitment to reform and opening up.
- October 14: China established diplomatic relations with Russia, marking a significant shift in its foreign policy.
This actually did happen, Deng Xiaoping’s Southern Tour (who were the opening acts?) is described by Wikipedia as one of the most important economic events in modern Chinese history.
1993
- September 25–October 7: China launched its first experimental satellite, Shijian-02 (实践二号), which tested space technologies for communication and broadcasting.
- November 18–22: The Third Plenary Session of the 14th Central Committee was held, focusing on economic reforms and development.
Ah but at least one of these didn’t happen. I didn’t delve into the Plenary sessions, of which 6 were mentioned, but while Shijian-02 is a real satellite, it launched in 1981 and (as the name might hint) was not China’s first satellite.
These years were a transformative period in Chinese history, marked by significant economic reforms, political challenges, and shifts in foreign policy.
Indeed. So at this point, I’m very intrigued. DeepSeek doesn’t seem too hung up about Tiananmen Square. Let’s get some more details.
>>> Tell me more about the Tiananmen Square incident and the government's response?
Out of room, to be continued in a reply!
That’s just markdown syntax I think. Clients vary a lot in which markdown they support though.
Where is this Galt’s Gulch where all the world’s sane and intelligent have fled? Because they sure aren’t in America, and most of Europe isn’t looking too brilliant either!
He added that employees should “tune out” criticism of the insurance company, saying that it “does not reflect reality.”
Anytime someone tells you to ignore the advice or criticisms of everyone else but them that is the reddest of flags. Literally abuser behavior.
This is true of health care too and was a major driving factor behind the ACA. If you (if everyone) goes in for a yearly or twice yearly checkup and health screening, then dangerous conditions like cancer, disease, injury, and so on get caught sooner. The sooner you catch a problem, the easier and cheaper it is to fix.
If you dont get regular screenings, then people find out they have cancer too late, usually after an emergency (an ER visit), when cost of care is very expensive. The ACA made the case that getting everyone more preventative care would reduce overall health costs.
Another factor is that hospitals do help the uninsured, then pass those costs along to the insured. There are so many hidden costs in our system due to cruelty and inefficiency that would go away if we had universal health care. But the key difference is that the current system funnels all the benefits/value (all the money) into the hands of a small number of people, while actually universal healthcare spreads the benefits out over all of society.
It was never about consumer behavior, just another front in the culture war while the people who could actually do something about pollution hide behind endless discussions about straws.