The fuck are you talking about?

You’re replying to things I didn’t say. Are you hearing voices or something?

Try again. Do better.

What about when people vote against their own interests?

They have the right to do so.

What about when the majority suppresses minorities?

That is a bad thing. But talk about a dictatorship?? That’s one person suppressing everybody else.

Dictatorships are not intrinsically bad.

You can have good dictators, even if they are rare.

Hard disagree there.

But it really depends on what you value as good and bad.

For instance, if you think that people have an inherent right to have a say in how they are governed, then a dictatorship can never be good because it infringes on that right in the most serious of ways.

If you think a stable and sustainable system of government that will last beyond the life of a few leaders is important, then dictatorship is not a good system, because one good dictator creates no guarantee that the next dictator will be good, and establishing a system of dictatorship affords a bad dictator that much more power to ruin lives.

The author wasn’t making a logical argument, so there’s no need to address his “logic.”

He’s a tourist who spent some time in a foreign country, and came to some very sweeping, rash conclusions about an entire country’s culture. It’s shallow, judgmental, and tragically commonplace among self-centered tourists who think they can understand an entire culture after 2 weeks living in a hotel on someone else’s dime. I am so done with the “white dude waxes philosophical about Asian country” trope.

“It is the result of Korea maximizing the bad points of Confucian culture and the shortcomings of capitalism.”

"In Confucian culture, there are no individuals…

"In Confucian culture, we do not try to empathize with mental health problems…

"When you learn Korean culture…

I love when tourists (let’s be real: rich, white, American tourists) visit a country and come back a fucking expert on the culture, filled with all the judgmental wisdom to dish out why that culture is inferior to their own.

Fuck this clown and his “wisdom.”

It’s going to be weird not seeing his face on every police box in the country anymore.

“The opposite.” So… China has moved 800 million people into extreme poverty?

Thank you! I’ll give that a try.

I’m using Cloudfare for DNS. I’ll check out what they have available.

I agree Reddit is toxic. I’d argue reddit actually stopped being Reddit around 2016. But it’s posts like this that clog it all up and are partially why it is the way it is today.

I gotta agree with this. The toxicity in any reddit thread increases dramatically when the poster pre-emptively complains about all the toxicity they expect to receive. Whereas when you just ask straight without going into a whole speech about comment quality, you get much better replies. Particularly because it’s hijacking your own thread; changing it from whatever question you wanted to ask into an analysis of the comments.

Assault is not free speech.

If that’s the understanding of my position that you came to after this several-days-long conversation, then I’m disappointed in your complete lack of attention to everything I’ve said.

I thoroughly read and thought about everything you wrote. You failed to convince me, but I at least listened to your position. It’s really disappointing you didn’t offer the same basic courtesy, and your last comment was the same kind of non-sequitur regurgitated rhetoric that the troll posters in this thread have been using.

Peace out, man. It’s a shame we couldn’t have a productive discussion.

And there it is. Not voting for Biden is stamping ones feet. The sheer entitled arrogance. Jesus.

Exactly. You are stamping your feet and exhibiting sheer entitled arrogance.

Your inability to comprehend the logical outcomes of your decisions is seriously disturbing. You’ve been polite enough and engaged honestly with me, and I appreciate that. But I don’t think we’re moving in any productive direction so let’s end it here.

I’ll just leave you with the same words I said before: You need to take a big step back, read everything that you wrote, and apply it to your own position. Then think on the actual outcomes that the two paths before you lead towards.

What a weird take. You’re not rewarding anybody. You’re choosing who will be the next president. You’re making a choice that will affect you and millions of other people.

I said previously I expect people to vote intelligently. You seem to be implying that allowing Trump to win just to spite the Democratic party for choosing Biden is somehow a rational choice.

You brought up blind arrogance.

Imagine being so blind that you fail to see that the outcome of a Trump victory would be devastatingly worse for yourself and for the world. That you’d be supporting an outcome that leads to more and worse genocide, despite that being a “single issue” for you. That’s blind.

Imagine being so arrogant that you’d choose the path that leads to more genocide and greater global suffering, despite genocide apparently being a “single issue” for you, simply to punish a political party made up of millions of people because they didn’t field the candidate you wanted them to. You said yourself: “The Democrats have a membership of millions.” Yet you are the one stamping your feet and threatening that if they choose Biden, you’re going to vote against him just to spite them. And help bring about more genocide, despite that apparently being important to you. That’s arrogance.

You don’t have to like Biden, you just have to prefer the outcome of a Biden victory over the outcome of a Trump victory. It’s akin to choosing between lima beans or rusty nails for everyone’s dinner. You don’t have to like lima beans, but if you are so arrogant to choose the rusty nails for everybody because you don’t want lima beans, you’re blind to how you will hurt others and yourself.

I’m sorry man, but you need to take a big step back, read everything that you wrote, and apply it to your own position. Then think on the actual outcomes that the two paths before you lead towards.

To be faced with two evils and to not choose the lesser one is crazy. Why would you ever not prefer the lesser evil!?

Again, that’s just saying someone better than Biden would be better. I’m not sure who you’re trying to convince that wouldn’t agree with you.

I expect people to vote intelligently based on the outcome they want. If there’s 2 outcomes and they don’t want outcome A, they should vote for B. Complaining that B isn’t sparkly and written in glitter doesn’t change the fact that they don’t want outcome A more.

I don’t know who’s selling this line you think is being sold. I’ll happily vote for a better Democrat than Biden. And I don’t know of anybody who is so enamored with Biden that they’d throw a temper tantrum if he wasn’t the nominee. I actually don’t know what you’re arguing here other than saying “a better person than Biden would be better.” Which is true, but it’s just a tautology.

Wow. That’s not what I said at all. You quoted me and you still got what I said wrong.

It’s obvious you didn’t understand the conversation then, because I didn’t say that at all, nor am I a centrist. So let’s hold off on the accusations of batshit ignorance, yeah?

Like I said to the troll poster above: if you’re interested in engaging honestly, let’s do this. Otherwise…

They might be doing that… but not possible? Come on dude. That’s just a failure of imagination. There are plenty of legal ways to corrupt the government. Lobbying is the most common one, and very legal. Insisting that they’re committing crimes without any evidence of it is just silly.