Love it, but CMUSA is better because alphabetical.

But also I get the feeling he’ll take Mexico coming before the US personally :P

Not trying to get into an in-depth discussion (because I know nothing) but from the outside looking in, going tit for tat and hoping the next guy’s better (or that Trump doesn’t make himself President for life) doesn’t seem like a good long term strategy. Tariffs may be necessary (convo above) but ultimately are going to hurt the people of the issuing country the most and at a time when most are struggling already.

Trump’s not the US and people in the US definitely shouldn’t get punished for his crap (unless they actively voted red, abstaining…sucks but I get it tbh), but he’s just proved he’s willing to start a trade war with friendly nations and the US has proved it’s willing to hand the country over to someone like that. Twice. Trying to find better firends (in terms of trade deals and whatnot) seems like the smart move here. Every other nation having to jump through hoops any time this guy wants to earn brownie points with his supporters doesn’t seem like a good foundation for a trade agreement to me.

That’s fair. If someone punches you, you punch back. You don’t get beaten up in the moment in hopes that you get to jump them a week from now. The “both” option suggested below may be better but that still means it’s regular everyday people getting fucked over with higher prices in CA over something they had nothing to do with (I can still sympathize with the US but one can also argue the US voted him in, Canada did not).

Dunno enough to know how well it’d work but I read a comment here the other day saying Canada and Mexico shouldn’t retaliate with tariffs but instead opt out of their side of UMCA and just not uphold US IP laws. They could individually or together invest heavily into forming companies that provide cheaper alternatives to whatever crap US companies pull for recurring revenue. Stuff like legally mandating that phones have a local-made app store pre-installed, subsidizing or outright investing in really well made and well maintained jailbreaks, third party repairs, and third party spare parts for stuff like John Deere products, Apple produccts, Tesla products…pretty much eat the tariffs on exports to the US, don’t retaliate with own tariffs so prices locally don’t go up, but hurt US profits everywhere else by becoming a provider of cheaper but still reliable (probably more reliable tbh) alternatives to anything US.

I’m kinda disappointed that’s not what’s happening rn

Edit: USMCA, not NAFTA

The $700 price tag suddenly makes a lot more sense.

I know there’s still a long way to go but maybe the future won’t be as completely horrofying as I thought. Fuck the facists and fuck the nazis, well done France!