The safety of civilians in the region. You don’t have to pick a side. We can simultaneously acknowledge that the Iranian and the US regimes are fucked up.
why? all nations are evil. that’s a given. trump’s run to be another hitler has involved partnership with genocide and kidnapping and invasion of multiple nations.
he’s clearly the bigger evil here.
iran is a piece of shit but they’re not a worldwide imperialist terrorist organization actively invading other nations.
all nations are evil. but the one in which I am currently stuck I am allowed, at least currently, to recognize is doing harm to the world the likes of which has never before been seen.
Sure, but that doesn’t mean we have to choose one to support. Saying the IRGC is evil doesn’t imply support for the US invasion, and saying the US invasion is evil doesn’t imply support for the IRGC.
It’s like sanity has gone out there window. Let’s not forget that not supporting either side is always an option.
I wasn’t trying to say you in particular are choosing a side. Just venting about how on lemmy in general, a lot of people overreact if I say anything even slightly critical of the Iranian regime.
Even before this US/Israeli invasion, on a post about iranian student protesters, people were accusing me of being a zionist because it expressed support for the Iranian students who were protesting…
Yes, the current regime in the US is deplorable. The regime in the Knesset is also deplorable. But the Iranian regime is deplorable too. Like, it’s entirely possible for all those things to be true, and they are…
They’ve been crippled. Their ability to project artillery outside their borders is receding with every passing day. As soon as the US/Israel offer them a seat at the bargaining table, they’ll come rushing back just like they have every other time the US/Israel has pushed their shit in.
If you love getting rug-pulled, go ahead and root for Iran.
If you want to cheer for the team with the kind of blood-lust necessary to obliterate a civilization, you’d be better off cheering for the US and Israel.
The war just started. How do you even know what tricks they have up their sleeves? You think dropping big explosives from the air is the only form of warfare? How did that work out for you in Vietnam? This is the same hubris Putin demonstrated. Don’t jump the gun.
the US has quadrupled military hardware production. That extra juice is for Russia, Putin will be out of the Kremlin in 2 to 3 years. He does not have to like it.
Yeah. Killing little school girls is all you can claim as an achievement! After all, little school girls are the field of expertise of your supreme commander, aren’t they?
We killed a whole lot of school girls in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq as well. Didn’t get the same kind of coverage, because the executive branch (and the public) were more disciplined in messaging.
But I think a lot of warfare is, at the end of the day, a libidinal need to “mow the grass” as the genocidal IDF leadership put it. Kill your enemies. Kill their families. Kill their kids. Depopulate territory of opposition.
Do I think dropping big explosives from the air works toward that end? Absolutely.
I never thought of the US as a benevolent invasion force. I knew they massacred ordinary people. And clearly, you’re part of the problem here.
But I’m not talking about that. Despite all the bombs you drop, you fail to achieve anything in the end. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq. Is there one invasion you can say you’re proud of? Perhaps psychopaths like you can, based entirely on the blood shed. But for human beings, you just keep sacrificing soldiers till you withdraw with your tail tucked behind you. You create powerful enemies who go on to cause even more damage to you. It’s your shortsightedness and simplistic thinking that defeats you in the end.
Meanwhile, your equating human lives to grass, is just lack of humanity. I just pity you. But don’t believe for a second that you’re immune to it. One day it will be someone else doing it to you.
Despite all the bombs you drop, you fail to achieve anything in the end.
Tell it to Raytheon stockholders. Hell, tell it to Facebook stockholders.
More importantly, tell it to every single Palestinian rendered homeless by the Nakba and the subsequent seventy years of genocidal policy. Israel exists in its current state because they slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and took their homes, their farms, and cut off their access to Arab neighbors.
Meanwhile, your equating human lives to grass
Mowing the grass (Hebrew: כיסוח דשא) is a metaphor used to describe periodic Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip to manage the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
The term was coined by Efraim Inbar and Eitan Shamir, two columnists for The Jerusalem Post and strategic studies researchers.
Naftali Bennett referred to the idea in a speech in 2018 when he said “מי שלא מכסח את הדשא, הדשא מכסח אותו” (‘He who does not mow the grass, the grass mows him’)
Yeah keep gloating. You just reached a stage where you can’t escape the consequences of all that blood lust. It was just an illusion. It wasn’t going to last forever. And here comes the reckoning.
Conflicted on who I’m supporting here.
You don’t have to support anyone.
If you don’t pick a team you’re not in the game!
The only winning move is not to play
The safety of civilians in the region. You don’t have to pick a side. We can simultaneously acknowledge that the Iranian and the US regimes are fucked up.
Yeah I want both governments to fall and both countries’ people to thrive and forge a better future
Solid choice.
Wow, I didn’t know sane takes were still allowed on the internet…
Then the sinking of a battleship seems like a pretty safe strike. Roughly zero chance of collateral damage.
But high chance of retaliation, which is why cowards target civilians…
why? all nations are evil. that’s a given. trump’s run to be another hitler has involved partnership with genocide and kidnapping and invasion of multiple nations.
he’s clearly the bigger evil here.
iran is a piece of shit but they’re not a worldwide imperialist terrorist organization actively invading other nations.
But they have been supplying drones to a worldwide imperialist terrorist organization actively invading other nations…
We can say both sides are evil, it’s okay. Nuance is rare enough already as it is without needing to discourage it when we see it.
all nations are evil. but the one in which I am currently stuck I am allowed, at least currently, to recognize is doing harm to the world the likes of which has never before been seen.
Sure, but that doesn’t mean we have to choose one to support. Saying the IRGC is evil doesn’t imply support for the US invasion, and saying the US invasion is evil doesn’t imply support for the IRGC.
It’s like sanity has gone out there window. Let’s not forget that not supporting either side is always an option.
i do not support any side. what gave that opinion? i am just currently reacting to how deplorable the side i am stuck under is behaving.
I wasn’t trying to say you in particular are choosing a side. Just venting about how on lemmy in general, a lot of people overreact if I say anything even slightly critical of the Iranian regime.
Even before this US/Israeli invasion, on a post about iranian student protesters, people were accusing me of being a zionist because it expressed support for the Iranian students who were protesting…
Yes, the current regime in the US is deplorable. The regime in the Knesset is also deplorable. But the Iranian regime is deplorable too. Like, it’s entirely possible for all those things to be true, and they are…
Iran loves to issue empty threats.
They’ve been crippled. Their ability to project artillery outside their borders is receding with every passing day. As soon as the US/Israel offer them a seat at the bargaining table, they’ll come rushing back just like they have every other time the US/Israel has pushed their shit in.
If you love getting rug-pulled, go ahead and root for Iran.
If you want to cheer for the team with the kind of blood-lust necessary to obliterate a civilization, you’d be better off cheering for the US and Israel.
The war just started. How do you even know what tricks they have up their sleeves? You think dropping big explosives from the air is the only form of warfare? How did that work out for you in Vietnam? This is the same hubris Putin demonstrated. Don’t jump the gun.
the US has quadrupled military hardware production. That extra juice is for Russia, Putin will be out of the Kremlin in 2 to 3 years. He does not have to like it.
Killed a whole lot of people
Yeah. Killing little school girls is all you can claim as an achievement! After all, little school girls are the field of expertise of your supreme commander, aren’t they?
We killed a whole lot of school girls in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq as well. Didn’t get the same kind of coverage, because the executive branch (and the public) were more disciplined in messaging.
But I think a lot of warfare is, at the end of the day, a libidinal need to “mow the grass” as the genocidal IDF leadership put it. Kill your enemies. Kill their families. Kill their kids. Depopulate territory of opposition.
Do I think dropping big explosives from the air works toward that end? Absolutely.
I never thought of the US as a benevolent invasion force. I knew they massacred ordinary people. And clearly, you’re part of the problem here.
But I’m not talking about that. Despite all the bombs you drop, you fail to achieve anything in the end. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq. Is there one invasion you can say you’re proud of? Perhaps psychopaths like you can, based entirely on the blood shed. But for human beings, you just keep sacrificing soldiers till you withdraw with your tail tucked behind you. You create powerful enemies who go on to cause even more damage to you. It’s your shortsightedness and simplistic thinking that defeats you in the end.
Meanwhile, your equating human lives to grass, is just lack of humanity. I just pity you. But don’t believe for a second that you’re immune to it. One day it will be someone else doing it to you.
You and the rest of the US national media.
Tell it to Raytheon stockholders. Hell, tell it to Facebook stockholders.
More importantly, tell it to every single Palestinian rendered homeless by the Nakba and the subsequent seventy years of genocidal policy. Israel exists in its current state because they slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and took their homes, their farms, and cut off their access to Arab neighbors.
Mowing the grass (Hebrew: כיסוח דשא) is a metaphor used to describe periodic Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip to manage the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
The term was coined by Efraim Inbar and Eitan Shamir, two columnists for The Jerusalem Post and strategic studies researchers.
Naftali Bennett referred to the idea in a speech in 2018 when he said “מי שלא מכסח את הדשא, הדשא מכסח אותו” (‘He who does not mow the grass, the grass mows him’)
Yeah keep gloating. You just reached a stage where you can’t escape the consequences of all that blood lust. It was just an illusion. It wasn’t going to last forever. And here comes the reckoning.
I see that you have more downvotes than upvotes. It shows you that people do not like what you say even if it is true.