Let’s just declare victory after losing!
“The full reopening of the Strait is something the Administration is working towards, but the core objectives of the operation have been clearly defined for the American people by the Commander in Chief,” Leavitt said.
No the fuck they haven’t. He doesn’t even know himself other than whatever Israel said to do, otherwise they’ll release the videos of him raping children.
Sure they have - Baby gets what Baby wants. If baby wants the objectives of a war to be Iran sends him a cool fire truck to play with, that’s how he defines “winning” the war that day.
In this case it’s more “What Bibi wants, Bibi gets.”
Maybe he needs a 2nd gold-plated jumbo jet?
You know, I’m not even sure I’ve heard a straight line about what exactly they’re trying to do and what precipitated starting the war.
There’s been talk about wanting regime change and halting the Iranian nuclear program. But both of those things have been around for what, like 20 years? And the nuclear deal was being worked out over a decade age before trump threw a fit and ripped it up.
Most wars have a very clear “they did this to us so we have to do this to them in order to secure… blah blah blah.” But with Iran we didn’t really get that. I just woke up one day and the headlines were “surprise, he started another war in the Middle East, checkout this new TikTok trend”
At least bush had the intelligence to lie about WMDs. Trump just threw a fit and seems hell bent on collapsing the global economy for no reason other than the US hasn’t been bombing as many brown people as it once did.
Trump just threw a fit and seems hell bent on collapsing the global economy for no reason other than the US hasn’t been bombing as many brown people as it once did.
I don’t think it’s just because “brown people bad”. I think his goal is to crash the global economy so he and his buddies (controllers) such as Miller, Vought, Kevin Roberts, Thiel, Andreeson, Musk, aka the technofascists (a la Curtis Yarvin), can get their hands in the system from the ground up to extract even more value from everyone and further control pretty much all of society.
When those videos hit the web, everyone will know the people who supported him. We will never let them forget, nor will we let others be ignorant of what they did.
This could literally be mentioned in the historical annals of idiotic military blunders in history.
Hey Republicans lurking on here, way to fucking go guys. You’re so fucking stupid that you collapsed our reputation in the world and now we’re a fucking laughing stock and because of your seemingly infinite level of abject idiocy, we now are legitimately in a national security crisis because of this wanton waste of our national defense assets.
Great fucking job, morons. Take a fucking bow.
Some have said that when this war is over, it will be a different world.
But that is not the whole truth, because it is already a different world. The image of the invincible US military is in ruins. This war with Iran can turn out to be nearly as disastrous for USA as the Russian war against Ukraine is to Russia.Zelenskyy has been on a charm tour to the Arab countries, and offered help to defend against the Iranian attacks, that USA has failed to defend against. And hopefully this will result in significant Arab investments in Ukrainian industries.
These investments are most likely to be drawn from US investments.
When the Ukraine war is over, Ukraine will very quickly become member of EU. And Ukraine will prosper fast with strong know how, and a strong will and help to rebuild after the war.
As a member of EU, the enormous goodwill and prestige Ukraine has earned, will benefit EU too. And EU will be stronger than ever. While USA risk to lose the petro dollar because they fucked up in the middle east.USA is not losing the war in Iran, because it’s already lost. Unfortunately for USA, there is no graceful exit, so chances are that USA will escalate instead. But that will only make it worse for USA. With even more losses for USA in lives money and prestige.
The big immediate winner is of course China, but EU might actually also win from this in the long run. And the sure loser is USA.
Even Iran will benefit, the oil export sanctions against them have already been lifted, and they will keep control of the Hormuz strait.
A new deal between USA and Iran will be on Iranian terms not American.Funny how this was predicted 2 years ago?
China’s Nostradamus" Made 3 Trump Predictions In 2024. 2 Already Came True
The headline is misleading though, because USA has already lost the war, so all 3 came true.
I actually went back and watched the original video, and it’s spot on, there can be no doubt about the accuracy of his prediction.I think this next century is going to be that of the middle powers.
Countries that are agile, looking to innovate and solve problems, and work towards equitable futures for everyone.
America is all in on oligarchy and the nouveau riche, and nothing else. There is zero investment in the common good and zero care for the nation as a whole.
I just hope the American super-capitalist model will be abandoned together with the authoritarian model of Russia.
And I actually see a path to that effect, question is if we (western democracies) will take it.So you want oligarchs to be in charge? Lmao that’s certainly a take.
“together with” (not “together, with… instituted”) means ze wants both to be done away with, not the former replaced with the latter
Yes we need to improve democracy, and limit the wealth and power of the 1%.
Yes obviously not wanting super-capitalism or authoritarianism means I want oligarchs?
That makes a lot of sense if you don’t think about it.I totally misread what you said. My bad man! I’m fighting pink eye right now so screens are hard. =-S
That’s OK bro. 😋
The fat old orange child molester will absolutely guarantee Iran has the bomb. Look ant North Korea. The US bombed it into oblivion and they took action so it would never happen again.
Allegedly the previous Ayatollah the USA killed was actually against Iran having nuclear weapons, as he considered it against the morals of Islam.
But I guess the next Ayatollah, will find a way to get around that.
Quick note, petroleum sanctions on Iran from the US are not lifted - the only thing permitted is to buy the barrels now at sea, i.e., from the dark fleet. Same deal with Russia.
OK that is probably true, it rings a bell.
But it still sounds a bit like a partial lift of sanctions, which for Iran is still better than before the war.
On a side note, it is not impossible that it will be extended. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Asian countries begin to pick up oil directly from Iran, and ignore USA. USA has created an impossible situation for many countries, there are already rations in some countries.
Will USA then threaten those countries? Thailand, Philippines, Japan, China.I think internationally Iran is in a better position now than before the war.
And EU will be stronger than ever.
I doubt it. The EU faces the same fundamental problem as the US: Powerful, greedy and unresponsive elites unwilling to compromise with their subjects. I think we’re more likely to see an overall weaker and somehow even more dysfunctional EU with Ukraine as a counterbalance to its traditional Western and Northern European power base (assuming the EU doesn’t drop the ball on Ukrainian recovery like it repeatedly did on the war).
I disagree with everything you write.
We may also have a greedy elite, but the scale of the problem is way less than what it is in USA. They are both not as rich, and their power is way better regulated, for instance we don’t have the moronic super packs. With Russia collapsing and losing the war to Ukraine, EU countries that are acting in the interest of Russia, will be way less of a problem, and the traditional values of Democracy in EU will be reestablished.
I absolutely see Ukraine as less of a problem in EU than UK used to be. EU may need to be reformed to manage the big number of member states better. But EU has proven able to act when necessary during the Ukraine war. This is the opposite of dysfunctional despite countries like Hungary and Slovakia that are serving Russian interests.
Also around the world the respect for EU is increasing, and acknowledgement of how EU works for international law, is recognized as being different from USA, where previously we were seen as an American puppet, EU is making itself more independent of USA, and we are distancing ourselves from USA way more than at any point since WW2.This will pave the way for way bigger international recognition and cooperation, and make EU stronger both internally and in outside relations. EU is built on cooperation that benefit us all, this is both among the member countries, and with EU allies and trading partners.
I’m not saying we will surpass China, but we can work with China on a reasonably level playing field, and the same with USA, where USA used to dominate, that domination will soon be over if it isn’t already.
Okay you seem to fundamentally misunderstand the current state of the EU.
They are both not as rich, and their power is way better regulated, for instance we don’t have the moronic super packs.
Regulations are tools for the elites to protect democracy (or generally their preferred status quo); they’re useless (or less than useless, see: Germany and Palestine) when the elites don’t want the thing you want. That’s why the so-called political opposition is so soft on fascism and incapable of providing credible alternatives to it; they’re not paid to do that.
With Russia collapsing and losing the war to Ukraine, EU countries that are acting in the interest of Russia, will be way less of a problem, and the traditional values of Democracy in EU will be reestablished.
No offense, but this is downright naive. Russia is a backer of fascism in the West, but it’s far from the cause. Fascism isn’t something that just appears because a bunch of internet trolls want it to; it’s a tool for the elites to distract from their intentional misgovernance. The Nazis didn’t need Russia to bankroll them. If democracy was working you wouldn’t get fascism. Besides, TF do you mean “collapse?” Why are you assuming that Russia will collapse? There’s literally no indication of that happening. Even a significantly weakened Russia can and will keep backing the far right.
But EU has proven able to act when necessary during the Ukraine war.
Uh… the EU spent three years putting all sorts of limits and conditions on the weapons they export to Ukraine, still can’t get off its ass and take Russian money in its banks and has done nothing to restrain the US and Israel from messing up geopolitics in ways that harm it and Ukraine. If reform was forthcoming, it’d have happened to free that hundred billion dollars of Ukraine aid that Hungary is holding up. And this is before we even get to the consistent failure of most member states to meaningfully address the most important crises of the day, such as the climate crisis, the housing crisis, the demographic crisis and the ongoing fuel crisis. Meanwhile they adopt the far right’s anti-immigrant and (even more) pro-rich platform, to the active detriment of all the preceding crises and to the advantage of the fascists. Again, if the EU wasn’t a dysfunctional mess, the far right wouldn’t find such purchase in most of its member states. There’s a reason it’s called Alternativ fur Deutschland, not It’s Going Super Well fur Deutschland.
Also around the world the respect for EU is increasing, and acknowledgement of how EU works for international law, is recognized as being different from USA, where previously we were seen as an American puppet,
Uh… got a source for that? Because let me tell you, y’all are still rightly seen as American puppets outside the Global North bubble. Besides, the EU’s commitment to international law is almost as much of a joke as international law itself; you can tell Palestinians about how the EU works for international law.
This will pave the way for way bigger international recognition and cooperation, and make EU stronger both internally and in outside relations. EU is built on cooperation that benefit us all, this is both among the member countries, and with EU allies and trading partners.
Literally none of this is based in reality. For a representative example of the EU decidedly not benefiting trading partners, look up EU fishing in West Africa.
The US was the laughing stock of the world long before this “war”.
It was a hard job to top all the pointless republican war blunders of the past, but the orange clown managed to achieve this historical feat. Well done
I think the death count for the second Iraq war is higher, not to mention being responsible for creating ISIS.
so far, really early days yet
That is totally fair. Normalizing political assassinations and kidnappings will probably have a big impact in the future also, although I’m not sure what that will be exactly.
Political assassinations and kidnappings aren’t any more normal than they were two years ago; Trump is just more blatant about it. I mean when Western countries overthrow this or that regime, they don’t exactly give the old regime flowers. Not that they didn’t deserve it, but Saddam Hussein for example was executed after a show trial by American-appointed judges and Gaddafi was killed as a direct consequence of NATO bombings after his Western-backed overthrow.
Reopening Strait of Hormuz Not Vital to Ending Iran War
Then may I ask what is exactly?
Then may I ask what is exactly?
since Nixon the main US indutsrty is its war machine.
Fast intercity trians ? no, high quality public tranport ? no ? healthcare for all ? no. These were all discarded for the military industrial machince. Everything falls into place when you accept that. its noy 4D chess, the entire point of this is to expend munitions, that’s it. Trillions more $ now needed.
A secret third thing ;)
You won’t know secret third thing, it goes to another war in Canada.
You leave Canada out of this we’re doing our best to stay out ourselves
So let me get this straight: You went to war to make things worse?
Yeah, for MAGA, that tracks.
The MAGA US needs to lose this one.
Trump already has lost. There’s a Khomeni in charge of the country who is even more hardline than the last with a long queue of replacements should he get killed, they’ve not surrendered, they’re not negotiating and they’re only letting through ships they choose to. They’re still firing missiles at every Arab nation with a US base in it as well as at Israel. They’re still selling their oil. And now the Iran supported Houtis in Yemen have kicked off too, also lobbing missiles at Israel and threatening closing off the Bab al Mandab Strait which is the access to the Red Sea that’ll cut off access to the western oil pipelines Saudi Arabia has.
For what it’s worth, the Houthis are quiet now.
I read a rumor that the Saudis paid them off.
5D chess. It’s all part of the plan. . . or something. Oh look - a scary immigrant!
Done and done. This was admitting defeat.
Hijacking comment to point out that both posters of negative scored comments are 12-13 days old and one of them has a gibberish username. Downvote and move on.
Edit: Cry more, payroll shills.
Is Trump going to say that Iran agreed to his terms without any proof? Is he going to bomb them again for not respecting the terms they agreed to in his mind?
You think presidents do this? Just go on Truth Social and post lies?
That’s been his MO every Monday for the past 4 Mondays
Hes already done those. The next step is to impose his own blockade on the straight, and claim it doesnt matter what Iran does, America closed the straight until HIS demands are met!
Leavitt signaled that Trump may achieve those objectives by mid-April. “The Pentagon has always stated four to six weeks as an estimated timeline for Operation Epic Fury,” Leavitt said in the White House briefing room. “We’re on day 30 today—you do the math.”
My math says it’s taking y’all a lot longer than you fooled yourselves into thinking.
In May: … was always a 6 month timeline for Operation [
Epstein Files] Epic FuryHang on, I’m busy trying to solve another math problem.
Does anyone know what 3 – 1497 is? I’m really bogged down on this one.
-1493. Why? Counting vodka bottles?
If you spend billions and end up with that path blocked, I don’t think you can say you “won”.
Of course you can finish the war capitulating or losing too.
I’m starting to think either Trump or his acolytes don’t really think.
you can say you “won”.
He didn’t say it, he declared it!
We did it!
Let’s celebrate at Epstein’s… Oh wait
Epstein did not kill himself
MAGA are virtuosically ignorant people who literally think the Truth is simply what they declare it to be, no matter how delusional that truth is to everybody else in the world.
This “Trump” fellow may not be the genius he purports to be
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No, they have A.I. doing all the thinking for them.
Cool we’ve entered the, “I don’t want it anyway” phase of this bullshit. not sure where this places us in the timeline, but we all know the last step is hyping the massive victory of fixing the problem created by the administration.
“but the core objectives of the operation have been clearly defined for the American people by the Commander in Chief,” Leavitt said.”
What objectives!?
Distraction for jizzrael and some jizz, I mean, oil
Everytime I see shit like this, I immediately lose respect for the journalist writing the article. You can’t just write quotes and not provide any fact checking - especially when it’s so obviously false.
Letting Iran toll the ships passing through the strait.
Motherfucker loves tariffs so much he’s helping Iran to implement their own.
just look if shes wearing her cross, and how big is it.
Somehow whatever he can’t do, or doesn’t benefit him, magically doesn’t matter! It’s like a superpower!
The guy throwing military parades for himself capitulates and leaves Europe to clean up the mess. Much Wow
America is good at not admitting they lost a war. Just ask any war since ww2.
Ending any war isn’t their goal. We are the single largest arms manufacturer and seller on the planet. Our economy is war. This whole machine supports our pillaging and our governments priority is spending tax dollars for weapons from their clubs companies, then they turn around to the construction side of the club and give their friends contracts to repair everything they destroyed. Wait 20 years and rinse and repeat.
Mass murder for profit is our country’s legacy.
This is a bit different. There’s no profit to be had getting high on your own supply.
It’s not though. The people benefiting are not the ones paying…
I mean for “America” but yes. Obviously the weapons companies are having a field day.
There is when you turn policy decisions into a failing casino that you’re burning down for cash.
Depends who “you” are of course.
In WW2 they fought against 20% of a Wehrmacht that was already functionally broken by the Soviet Union.
Well, let’s not forget that the US was also fighting against Japan for much of that time. And the invasion of occupied France and of Italy was not on easy mode either.
And the collapse of the Wehrmacht on the eastern front had as much to do with the Russian winter, failing supply chains due to non-USSR allied bombing of German factories and railways, and Hitler’s interference in military decisions as it did the accomplishments of the glorious Red Army, which for the first year or more of the invasion, was under-equipped and incompetently led. They learned and adapted, but Stalin’s misguided micromanagement and paranoia cost the USSR hundreds of thousands of soldiers’ and civilian lives.
Yeah, I’m not trying to glorify the Soviet Union.
And yes, the USA did do a large part in bringing down Germany.
But the narrative that America beat Germany and saved the world is incorrect.
Their factory workers had a bigger part in determining the outcome than their soldiers.
Nah? Battle of Stalingrad wasn’t even until 1943, after Operation Torch (N. Africa) had started.
The UK did more with less. Escorting supply convoys to Russia, fighting in N. Africa and the Middle East, keeping the Wermacht pinned to defending the French coast. You could argue they contained Germany on 3 sides/fronts where Russia only had the one (which was heavily supported by the US/UK).
And almost every war before ww2
Retaining Saigon not vital to ending the Vietnam war.
