Fucking finally! Now let them fight.
I refuse to hope for a world where copyright and AI are both destroyed in one lawsuit because it’s too beautiful to ever be real.
I’m concerned how AI often leads to people to defend copyright. I fear it will come out of the fight stronger than ever, while not slowing AI in any meaningful way.
Oh, I’m not defending copyright- I just think that everyone should play by the same rules.
I agree, the big corporations, their CEOs, their shareholders, and their employees should follow in the exact same footsteps as Aaron Swartz. All of them.
For those that don’t know, Aaron was a hero.
The result is going to be some kind of deal where AI use requires to pay a certain percentage or something like $0.01 per token in copyright fees. This will be the end of open weight models you’re allowed to run locally on your PC. It’ll be “piracy”.
It will strengthen the AI corporations by allowing complete monopolization of AI.
Kind of an either/or deal here. If AI loses, copyright wins (and it’s David fucking Ellison, son of Oracle himself). If copyright loses, AI wins.
Just latching ointo the top comment: this page compares AI-generated music with the originals it blatantly stole from. It’s against Suno, not Anthropic, but it illustrates the overall issue pretty well.
Obligatory (for Germans): GEMA is not necessarily the good guy here. Neither are Sony and Warner.
the oligarchs will settle between themselves on a way to fuck us over that’s ok for both of them, as always.
Let’s play the oligarch monopoly illegal antitrust violating merger game… CBS and Paramount is skydance which wants to merge Warner, all run by David Ellison, son of Larry Ellison, which is Oracle, which works with OpenAI, so it totally tracks they would want to sue Anthropic.
This strategy is super familiar. This is almost like how Oracle acquired Sun Microsystems, to obtain Java to sue Google over Android… Hmmmmmm
This might be the first time I’m actually rooting for Anthropic. I mean I do use Claude mostly because it’s cheap as hell on a subscription and Kimi has pretty nasty terms of use… But I don’t LIKE the company. But if it’s them vs the Zionellison family, they better win.
I wish them both a very successful lawsuit, that bankrupts their opponent.
Uh AI steals everyone’s work. How it’s legal I’ll never know.
because it was ruled to be a transformative work, like how someone making a video essay on a book/game/movie is (sometimes) not violating copyright.
If AI continues to be treated as transformative work, there should also be a valid case to kill licensing requirements for sampling music. After all, there you’re literally using small clips of someone’s music or similar to make undeniably new art.
To be fair, that should have happened a long time ago. Copyright law hasn’t been fit for purpose for a long time.
So if I modify someone else’s art and call it my own, the courts will respect this precedent and let me go?
if you have enough lawyers and the art ia substantially different (different inteded use) they might
You got downvoted but this is just true lol
(Fuck AI slop though)
I saw this ruling and fully disagree.
What about Suno and maybe others?
Poor baby Sony can’t defend itself
I miss groklaw. We’d all be feasting right about now.
I love intellectual property theft.
Mind to explain why? Are you implying everything should be CC0? Are you saying what AI companies are doing is good? Should one license their software as CC0 instead of GPL? (sry, I’m not fully versed in the IP apparatus, so pls ignore my comment if I sound dumb. I will do some more research on it anyway at some point)
I think IP law shouldn’t exist, because it assumes that ideas can be owned and leads to predictably absurd results.
can they though? Isn’t the purpose of copyright mainly to manage industries e.g. avoid that one actor passes off their work as someone else’s? And they need to have a expiration date. That’s how I understood it. I can see how it can turn in to a cluster fire easy though, you’re right
And now watch everyone cheer for Sony and Warner to succeed in their lawsuits to extend the grip of copyright. What a timeline.
Wonder if Larry Ellison being a direct line between the US presidency and Israeli intelligence would change anything about people’s opinion on Warner winning… Probably not.
Nah, people are not THAT stupid.
A while back I saw a thread in a piracy community that was cheering some other lawsuit against an AI company for similar reasons, so I wouldn’t bet. The anti-AI sentiment is quite strong in these parts.
They’re not going to walk back copyright law so I’ll take these rapacious AI companies being held a little closer to the same standard that we are.
This isn’t a question of “walking it back”, though. There was never anything in copyright law that prohibited analyzing a copyrighted work before. This is an attempt to extend it.
Meta literally torrented 82TB of pirated material off anna’s archive and similar sources they’re not just “analyzing” things they paid for. Not to mention the various terms of use stating that content can’t be used to train off of that they violate as they scrape the whole web.
And so, exactly as I predicted, we’ve got commenters coming out to defend the poor innocent copyright cartels against those awful people pirating their stuff. Violating sacred EULAs, even, what monsters.
If I could get rid of both of them I would but I can’t so I don’t think it’s unreasonable have them go after the companies burning the planet to make the worst slop imaginable instead of people writing switch emulators or whatever. “Violating those sacred EULAs” causes the very site I’m posting this from to fight a constant game of cat and mouse with the bots trying to scrape it.
