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      I’ve ranted about this too many times but I think this is a classic shallow take. The prequels didn’t have a resurgence in appreciation because people grew up with them and therefore found them good, they just over time were judged by their merits instead of their expectations. I think if someone watched Episode 1 cold, they’d find one of the better Scifi films out there. I don’t think there’s been a cooler, more fast paced, multipart fight in cinema than the end of the phantom menace. Episode 2 has some terribly rough dialogue and pacing and the romance plot arc but it undeniably has style and flair and aura that few scifi films have been able to match. The chrome ships of Naboo… Fuck I’m ranting again.

      The prequels are not what the original generation wanted from star wars films. They are however good, if not flawed films, that expand the world, have an artistic vision, and have a cohesive underlying story they’re trying to tell. It’s not the meme’s that keep the movies alive it’s the world and the world is 100% better off for having the prequels in them.

      The sequels are the complete opposite. They’re bad films or at best lazy okay films, that shrink the world while ruining the past lore, that do not have an artistic vision, that do not have an underlying story they’re trying to tell. There is no rise of fascism through a failing democracy level of artistry, there is no pure heroes falling to corruption due to beaucracy and a loss of their original purpose, etc. There isn’t even a vibe or an aesthetic that is worth pursuing in the sequels in my opinion - and why that is I don’t really know, because I believe a lot of horribly talented people put their hearts into the appearance of the sequels but there’s nothing that comes to mind that feels like it fits the vibe and is entirely new. But that’s subjective. What’s not subjective is that they shrunk the world, reversed the progress, contradicted the lore, and failed to provide new fertile ground for stories. I don’t think someone walks away from any of the sequels individually or collectively and is inspired to tell new star wars stories where as the originals and the prequels all had that power.

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        IMO the sequels can be summed up with the words, “somehow, palpatine returned”. It indicates the laziness that the sequels were approached with.

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            Yeah, all three of them paralleled the OT pretty closely, from starting on Tatooine, meeting up with fugitives/refugees of the bad guys, leaving on the falcon, meeting Han and Chewie, main antagonist in black costume/mask, MC wins confrontation at the end. Then goes to a remote planet to meet a hermit jedi master that trains her a bit before she must return to an obvious trap to help her friends who had their own narrative for the movie, they get betrayed by the help they seek in a flashy looking location, battle on white planet where they need to hold the enemy off while they make their escape (this happens at the end rather than the start, but clearly they were intending to draw parallels). Last one visits the second death star, ends in a showdown where the former apprentice turns on his former master (albeit with Snoke as a middle man, still unclear if Snoke was Palpatine in a rushed clone or a puppet of Palp but his own person).

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      The prequels are still bad. They’re just better than the sequels.

      The prequels at least had a singular vision behind them.

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          But then why are there no sequel memes? Except for “somehow X returned”, which is purely derogatory towards the sequels.

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          Sequel trilogy was bad and “Duel of Fates” with Anakin and Obi wan is still a top tier scene. Even if you take out all the memes. Hell there’s many good scenes in the prequels. It’s not perfect though, Ep 1 specifically has way too much politics of trade wars and federation drama.

          Can’t really remember any good battles or fights from any of the three sequel movies.

          Completely ignoring the chud “mary sue” or “black guy” complaints… The biggest problem was the lack of direction.

          One writer wanted Rey to have a linked lineage and be “the chosen one” while the other wanted to take a different approach and have a “everyone can be a hero and does not have to be chosen.” Each movie the other writer retconed what the other set up.

          • The whole dagger matching the crash site was ass
          • The Chewbacca death fake out was stupid
          • General hux was absolutely wasted
          • The sith language corrupting c3po only for that to be a fake out was ass
          • rey was training to duel lightsaber weild via her staff combat and that was wasted. ,(I think Duel of Fates would have been less hated)
          • no explanation on how Maz Kanta got Luke’s lightsaber
          • Palpatine coming back with no explanation
          • sith holocron being a Mcguffin
          • the ending of Rise of Skywalker. What the hell was that
          • Mara Jade erasure. Luke deserved a baddie.

          I thought force awakens was okay The last Jedi wasn’t great Rise of Skywalker is unwatchable

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        Yeah I blame the fans. They bitched about having their expectations subverted in Last Jedi and Rey not being a Skywalker… so the next movie gives her an important lineage and makes her an honorary Skywalker and suddenly giving fans what they ask for is a bad thing.

        The only thing wrong with Rise of Skywalker are Poe and Finn getting girlfriends out of nowhere in a blatant attempt to stop the fans from shipping them… (ironically in a movie with a gay kiss… a blink and you miss gay kiss admittedly) well that and Chewbaca’s fake out death.

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          Yeah I blame the fans.

          Certainly the people who actually make the sequels can bear no blame!

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          Pandering to fans is IMO a mistake by the creators, unless they can do so without compromising their vision. Like I think Lucas made a mistake pandering to the Jar Jar hate. No idea whether he was intended to be Plaguis or some other dark horse but I think it’s pretty clear from Episode I that there was more to that character than just providing childish comic relief. I wish he hadn’t caved to the pressure and stuck with whatever he had originally intended.

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        Especially Attack of the Clones. When do the clones even attack? They don’t do that till the next movie during Order 66.

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          Pretty sure the clones do attack the robots at the end of ep 2? And a large part of the plot is Obi-Wan finding out the enemy was raising said army of clones, so that was the expected threat. The Jedi just walked in and said yeah that’s mine yoink.

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        The sequels aren’t even bad, people just freaked out because “omg woman protagonist”

        I’m tired of hearing how Rey is a Mary Sue when there’s no real proof of that.

        “OMG she can fly the Millenium Falcon.”

        Not very well, she even damages it and has to get Han to fix it.

        “She beat Kylo Ren in a saber fight!”

        No she barely came to a draw against a man trying his damndest not to bleed out from a Bowcaster shot.

        If Rey was a guy, half of the complaints about the sequels wouldn’t exist.

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          Rey is simply not a compelling character. This has nothing to do with “omg woman protagonist”. People loved Leia.

          Rey bumbles along randomly. And then randomly gains super jedi powers in an almost completely unmotivated way. There is no compelling story arc.

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      I didn’t come around on the prequels, they just made funny memes. Those movies are horrible.