Iran US relations: Tehran demands the release of frozen assets upfront and adds Yemen conditions following the collapse of a prior agreement, hardening its stance against Washington in the ongoing Middle East conflict.
I am not my government, nor have i ever felt anything like “patriotism” at any point outside the Olympics, and that’s always as fleeting as whichever event I am watching.
Much as Iranians aren’t their government, Chinese aren’t theirs, etc etc. Despots gonna despot.
And if you think he actually got voted in this most recent time then I’ve got some bridges for sale in Brooklyn for a great price if you’re interested.
ETA: Hard-line religious repressive governments and the CCCP genociding Uyghrs(sp) are what I’m referring to, nothing more.
That’s not how a democracy works. And if you argue against it, then it’s not a democracy any more
In the end, I don’t think the rest of the world believes that this is all down to one person called Trump any more. This is down to the whole population and will require many generations of intentional cultural change to reverse.
The USA is lost to most of its allies, not because of Trump alone but because things there can unpredictably change very dramatically every 4 years
I hear the truth of what you’re saying, but then by that same logic may you be blamed for all the ills of your government.
In the face of reality, that logic only applies to a few. Especially when our system was purchased by oligarchs when Millennials as a generation were infants. Our say began during the market collapse of 2008. Is it really my fault, or was my power to vote outweighed by corporate interests through no fault of my own - especially having lived and voted in MY and as close to social-humanism as my options would allow, respectively.
I don’t deny we are no longer reliable as a nation, but please don’t conflate normal citizens with governments. Its bad for everyone.
Why is entire Russia cut off from SWIFT then, if the war is due to the doings of despots and oligarchs? Why was the whole Iran under sanctions for decades?
Well I can tell you that I didn’t put any sanctions on anyone. Nor have i made any international trips (Caribbean honeymoon cruise notwithstanding) or deals in my life.
Why are they under sanctions? Take a look at the discussions those oligarchs and despots in the US were having and please again note that I voted as much against corporate interests and corruption as my ballots would allow. If I was out-voted, am I truly to blame?
And if all these are such big issues in your life, what have you done to fix them?
Blaming people like me for the ills of the government I have disagreed with since the time I truly learned how it functioned is genuinely unhelpful; you are berating the only people in this sad excuse for a country who genuinely want to improve things for everyone because we do see the potential the US had and utterly squandered in the name of profits for a few.
We were sold the lie harder than anyone else. We fought against the lies in what ways we could. I’ve faced down lines of riot police firing tear gas into crowds alongside my father. I have put myself on the line against this oppression. Now I generally keep to myself and protect my babies as best I am able, which is beginning to feel increasingly futile.
So please, again, explain to me why I’m the bad guy for what the people I very specifically have voted and physically stood against every time I can have done and how its entirely the fault of me and people like me.
Wow, a whole lot of text there. All of that will be of just as much interest to the world as who voted against Putin in Russia. Trump is still the elected emperor last I checked.
Ah yes, the usual, someone else needs to solve your problem for you. The problem that USians created and imposed on the world. But we also have to sympathize with USians about them not being able to get rid of the problem that they created.
A more measured response: it is not my responsibility to educate every ignoramus in my country. For you to suggest all the problems of my country are my fault is either incredibly stupid or incredibly disingenuous, especially when I’m on super lefty Lemmy. Clearly I agree with most of the sentiments here otherwise I’d be on Truth Social and Facebook spouting about how Murica’s da greatest.
So please explain to me why, by your own logic, I shouldn’t blame you for the bullshit going on in the EU or in the middle east or wherever the fuck you’re from? You live there, its entirely your fault.
Oh, he got voted in by enough people to make this rapist, childfucking, insurrectionist garbage human president the second time. There is no functioning mechanism to prevent such things or to reverse course when things are obviously fucked, and that is the fault of every american alive, regardless of patriotism. It’s not limited to a single generation either - this shit has been going down since at least Nixon, who got away scot free, and Reagan, who also didn’t suffer any consequences for the Contra affair.
Every American alive - minus Gen Z / Alpha at the moment, but i am sure they will carry the torch on - is part of a system that has been running amok for more than half a century, and was neither willing to consistently vote for representants that respect the rule of law nor demand that the rules are changed in a way to prevent a fascist takeover.
It’s just like with genocide - if you don’t speak out against it, you support it.
They still aren’t the main part of the population, and the younger voters seem to lean more free-thinking for now. We will see how it develops with them in the next decade, but i have the feeling that they (similar to GenX) are not approving of the gerontocratic power grab we are seeing today, which might actually pit them against the worst of GenX and the Millenials. I for myself, as a late GenX, am pretty ashamed of the people in my generation who adapted to the system, instead of going what their generation actually stood for: Punk and revolt against the encrusted establishment.
I am not my government, nor have i ever felt anything like “patriotism” at any point outside the Olympics, and that’s always as fleeting as whichever event I am watching.
Much as Iranians aren’t their government, Chinese aren’t theirs, etc etc. Despots gonna despot.
And if you think he actually got voted in this most recent time then I’ve got some bridges for sale in Brooklyn for a great price if you’re interested.
ETA: Hard-line religious repressive governments and the CCCP genociding Uyghrs(sp) are what I’m referring to, nothing more.
Also I’m dumb
That’s not how a democracy works. And if you argue against it, then it’s not a democracy any more
In the end, I don’t think the rest of the world believes that this is all down to one person called Trump any more. This is down to the whole population and will require many generations of intentional cultural change to reverse.
The USA is lost to most of its allies, not because of Trump alone but because things there can unpredictably change very dramatically every 4 years
I hear the truth of what you’re saying, but then by that same logic may you be blamed for all the ills of your government.
In the face of reality, that logic only applies to a few. Especially when our system was purchased by oligarchs when Millennials as a generation were infants. Our say began during the market collapse of 2008. Is it really my fault, or was my power to vote outweighed by corporate interests through no fault of my own - especially having lived and voted in MY and as close to social-humanism as my options would allow, respectively.
I don’t deny we are no longer reliable as a nation, but please don’t conflate normal citizens with governments. Its bad for everyone.
Why is entire Russia cut off from SWIFT then, if the war is due to the doings of despots and oligarchs? Why was the whole Iran under sanctions for decades?
Well I can tell you that I didn’t put any sanctions on anyone. Nor have i made any international trips (Caribbean honeymoon cruise notwithstanding) or deals in my life.
Why are they under sanctions? Take a look at the discussions those oligarchs and despots in the US were having and please again note that I voted as much against corporate interests and corruption as my ballots would allow. If I was out-voted, am I truly to blame?
And if all these are such big issues in your life, what have you done to fix them?
Blaming people like me for the ills of the government I have disagreed with since the time I truly learned how it functioned is genuinely unhelpful; you are berating the only people in this sad excuse for a country who genuinely want to improve things for everyone because we do see the potential the US had and utterly squandered in the name of profits for a few.
We were sold the lie harder than anyone else. We fought against the lies in what ways we could. I’ve faced down lines of riot police firing tear gas into crowds alongside my father. I have put myself on the line against this oppression. Now I generally keep to myself and protect my babies as best I am able, which is beginning to feel increasingly futile.
So please, again, explain to me why I’m the bad guy for what the people I very specifically have voted and physically stood against every time I can have done and how its entirely the fault of me and people like me.
Edit: missing words.
Wow, a whole lot of text there. All of that will be of just as much interest to the world as who voted against Putin in Russia. Trump is still the elected emperor last I checked.
Then you shoot him in the head.
Ah yes, the usual, someone else needs to solve your problem for you. The problem that USians created and imposed on the world. But we also have to sympathize with USians about them not being able to get rid of the problem that they created.
A more measured response: it is not my responsibility to educate every ignoramus in my country. For you to suggest all the problems of my country are my fault is either incredibly stupid or incredibly disingenuous, especially when I’m on super lefty Lemmy. Clearly I agree with most of the sentiments here otherwise I’d be on Truth Social and Facebook spouting about how Murica’s da greatest.
So please explain to me why, by your own logic, I shouldn’t blame you for the bullshit going on in the EU or in the middle east or wherever the fuck you’re from? You live there, its entirely your fault.
Or that’s disingenuous and stupid. Don’t be that.
Oh, he got voted in by enough people to make this rapist, childfucking, insurrectionist garbage human president the second time. There is no functioning mechanism to prevent such things or to reverse course when things are obviously fucked, and that is the fault of every american alive, regardless of patriotism. It’s not limited to a single generation either - this shit has been going down since at least Nixon, who got away scot free, and Reagan, who also didn’t suffer any consequences for the Contra affair.
Every American alive - minus Gen Z / Alpha at the moment, but i am sure they will carry the torch on - is part of a system that has been running amok for more than half a century, and was neither willing to consistently vote for representants that respect the rule of law nor demand that the rules are changed in a way to prevent a fascist takeover.
It’s just like with genocide - if you don’t speak out against it, you support it.
Most of Gen Z were 18+ in 2024, they’re already carrying the torch.
They still aren’t the main part of the population, and the younger voters seem to lean more free-thinking for now. We will see how it develops with them in the next decade, but i have the feeling that they (similar to GenX) are not approving of the gerontocratic power grab we are seeing today, which might actually pit them against the worst of GenX and the Millenials. I for myself, as a late GenX, am pretty ashamed of the people in my generation who adapted to the system, instead of going what their generation actually stood for: Punk and revolt against the encrusted establishment.
People on Lemmy need to actually internalize this fact^
Thank you for thinking that way and saying it “out loud”.
ETA: Hard-line religious repressive governments and the CCCP genociding Uyghrs(sp) are what I’m referring to, nothing more.