Nintendo has sent four DMCA takedown notices to GitHub targeting two Nintendo Switch emulators, Yuzu and Citron Neo, along with mod chip firmware.
As a general reminder, self hosting your own git repo or hosting it on a private VPS is incredibly cheap. You can then have it cloned to new github/bitbucket whenever these sweeps happen. Using a fork as a ‘backup’ is pointless if it’s still hosted on Github no matter how many thousand copies are made. Microsoft will throw you and everyone in your commit history under a bus at the whims of Nintendo’s lawyers.
You self host gitlab-ce to avoid dmca’s from mega corps.
I self host gitlab-ce so that no one can see all of my shitty commits.
We are not the same.
I set up my own Forgejo instance a few days ago, it took me longer to upload my repositories than to set it up, although I went with docker so one could say I cheated by taking the easy way. In any case, if you have some old hardware laying around or already rent a server anyway, give it a try.
You may not want to do that for the same reason Microsoft doesn’t wasn’t to do that.
Capitulating to Nintendo’s lawyers only serves to silence individual rights to reverse engineer, repair, or modify devices consumers have legal ownership of, which Microsoft also has a commercial interest in abusing. Keep in mind that a DMCA request is not evidence of wrong doing, however few have the legal resources to contest it.
Microsoft’s interests are not being sued. If you wanna take on that responsibility, have at it. Most people don’t for the sake of video games.
Why the F we’re still hosting grey market on github I’ll never know.
Should just take all that shit over to RNSgit and host it on the dark side
I wasn’t familiar with this, and apparently neither was duckduckgo. Is this what you were referring to? https://reticulum.network/manual/git.html
It looks interesting, thanks for putting me on to it!
That is exactly it.
Reticulum is a decentralized, mostly anonymous, encrypted network.
rnsgit let’s you host git repos on it.
nomadnet let’s you make 1990’s style webpages on it.
There are proxies and vpns and messaging (LXMF) and telephony (LXST)
Neat! Thanks!
I’ve read a little about this tech, isn’t reticulum network way to small to transfer large programs? I thought it was restricted to small instances of text?
If you’re using a 200bps Lora radio, it’s bad, but there are sites serving multi-GB files over TCP. Network works over hops, if you’re more than a few hops from your target server you can try to find a closer backbone path. There’s also a lot of mirrors going on.
If people started using it in earnest, I’m sure we could come up with a DHT style solution
Only on the LoRA or other low bandwidth links. You can also traverse the network via normal Internet links.
Stop hosting this stuff on GitHub people!
The only reason like projects like that have a following and is doscovered is because they are on GitHub
Idk. I can’t speak for everyone, but I’ve never searched specifically on GitHub for a something. It’s always from a Google search first which doesn’t seem to have issues finding other platforms projects are on.
Highly doubt this. If you build something as interesting as this people will find it through means other than Github search. And as people pointed out elsewhere in this thread, lots of projects put their code on Github but only use it as a mirror. That gives you most of the benefits of being on there.
How unsurprising, Ninty going full IP Godzilla again, even lashing out at some of the fanbase patronizing its games.
Yuzu? Wasn’t Yuzu already dead, and the main fork is Eden?
Eden moved their project from GitHub to something else, I think, because Nintendo already tried screwing with them.
Emulators are legal as long as you don’t ship keys or weird shit, if GitHub takes them down even when no law was broken, then use another provider, GitHub is Microsoft and runs like shit.
It also uses 220 MB of memory per tab. A laggy manga reader site with tons of pictures uses 80 MB. How do they even do this? My line isn’t that fast!
100k div soup and 200k npm libraries would do it
Div soup tables should be illegal. 😡
Too bad I’m still using my copy of Yuzu that they “took down “ two years ago
FYI, Eden is a fork of yuzu that adds quite a lot of features and is fully compatible with yuzu saves/mods/configs.
My favorite new feature is loading updates and DLC from a folder instead of having to install them.
Coool I’ll have to check it out
They never learn not to use GitHub.
Serious question for the seriously uninformed: what’s the alternative?
Read too fast and saw “self-loathing” which took me a second because self-hosting sort of feels that way sometimes.
But in all seriousness, I highly suggest taking a weekend to learn how to run docker. For the most part, if you’re using a compose file, getting something working takes about as much time as installing a program on an old PC.
Most of these should have a compose and documentation on what variables you need to set (like passwords and file paths and such).
Personally, I run Forgejo and set up mirrors that will sync every 8-12 hours off the repos that I feel shows promise, but also may be targeted.
When you see DCMAs hit, they go ahead and submit them for forks as well since GitHub tracks them. But they can’t target me since I’m mirroring off-site.
…Unfortunately I find many of these post DCMA, but usually the community fights back and you’ll find clones/forks floating around… but I do what I can to try and help decentralize. Hopefully one day the network effect may reverse and pull people elsewhere than GitHub…
Running docked sounds like the easy bit. The hard bit would be getting a static IP for external access, or paying for a host that allows you an entire VM.
I pay about $9 a month for a shitty shared PHP host, in spite of much discussion I haven’t found much out there that’s better than that.
Just a random tangent but I love Docker compose. Set it up once, and it works on every machine forever. Change distro? No problem. Move to VPS? No problem. It’s just so neat.
The only downside is you have to learn the arcane ways. It’s not intuitive or easy to understand at all, especially once you get into advanced networking, volumes, etc
There are countless git sites.
They never learn
notto use Git
Nintendo: Part time game company Full time law firm
They are slow. I expected that to happen way faster. But yeah, pretty much what everyone knew would happen actually happened. I don’t get what it is with people hosting that stuff on GitHub. By now it’s safe to assume they know that it’s taken down.
At this point you assume a Nintendo DMCA and/or lawsuit or you are a moron. I know several of these groups are using private gits.
That the community still uses Github for anything but a mirror?
And/or
When you cut off one head of the Hydra three more will take its place
A new Yuzu or is this including old ass news? Yuzu was the first major one to get taken down, which prompted hella people to fork it into a billion different spin offs. It’s not even currently the most feature complete emu; one of the Ryujynx forks is.
I’d assume some useless forks that weren’t renamed or active. Or redundant secondary mirrors.
The active Switch 1 repos are all self hosted now:
Ryujinx continuations:
https://git.ryujinx.app/projects/Kenji-NX
Still active.
https://git.ryujinx.app/Ryubing
Edit 2: Ryubing is maintenance mode, dormant.
Yuzu continuations:
https://git.eden-emu.dev/eden-emu/eden
Edit: i think suyu fork is maybe dead.
I’m surprised Nintendo isn’t going after all the Switch 2 slopulators or static recompiles yet. I don’t think they violate DMCA because they work differently, not decrypting anything or using keys, but it’s Microsoft in the USA.
Even if they use the console keys, that shouldn’t be violating anything. You need a legit key and you can dump your own from a legit console just like the games. But DMCA takedowns are notoriously easy to abuse and slow to rectify abuses of it, while Nintendo is one of the biggest abusers of the system, using it to remove things that don’t actually violate any copyrights.
Unfortunately, the settlement with Yuzu set a dangerous precedent. The judge decided that since Yuzu requires the keys to play the games, then Yuzu is clearly “primarily designed to circumvent encryption to directly violate the DMCA” or whatever.
So Switch 2 emulators not using keys at all in any part of the process maybe protects them from that angle. They require decrypted games, so only the decrypting/dumping tools might be susceptible to takedown in the same way.
Yuzu settled out of court didn’t they?
Plus nintendo only swooped in after yuzu released an update optimising for an game not yet released - destroying any kind of clean room argument.
I see Github takedowns in a similar light to Google YouTube strikes. There’s no humanity or any attempt at defending creators, just spineless or bot corporate actions. Usually bots.
A fool uses Github for spicy code now. Like a 14 year old recompiling OOT with Claude from what I hear.
The issue is the whole “circumventing encryption” thing, which is what led to the infamous win for Nintendo. The judge ruled that by using an official Switch’s encryption keys, the emulator was primarily designed to circumvent encryption and sided with Nintendo.
I agree that it shouldn’t be violating anything. But clearly, Nintendo managed to convince that judge. And since courts look at precedent and case law when issuing rulings, any future rulings will likely go the same way unless a higher court overturns it.
Technically the judge never ruled, but Yuzu settled the lawsuit, either because they didn’t feel confident about their odds of winning, or that Nintendo just had more resources to fight a protracted lawsuit and the Yuzu devs did not.
Have a link to that case? I can’t seem to find anything related
Nintendo is open season btw
Open season to “steal” their shit.
None of their games would be hard to fast-follow with AI. You’d lose the actual IP, but it would irritate the hell out of them
