I only respect Spain more for having standards.
canada:
Good job on the Republican Party for being complicit in our current president continuing to absolutely wreck the global image of the U.S. on top of everything else.
Yeah it’s the voters you need to blame here.
They or their lack of participation put them there.
They can get them out too, now, if they want.
“Blame the lambs being led to the slaughter, not the shepherds who gave them no choice.”
You’re a truly enlightened genius who is contributing greatly to the cause.
Every. Single. Time.
It’s on the voters. Stop whining through another piece of philosophy.
“Don’t complain about your leaders. It’s your fault.” Is not the convincing argument you think it is.
The leaders the voters repeatedly put there
It’s a lot better than blaming everything outside the genuine reason. Probably the reason it isn’t convincing to Americans is because they can’t take responsibility for it.
Obviously it makes a difference; the Republican voters use it well enough. The people they elected are trying to stop potential Democrat voters from doing it.
Just take some fucking responsibility.
The US company I work for is a massive multinational manufacturing corporation with factories all over the world, including Spain. What the fuck are supposed to do, cut ties with our own facilities, because the orange pig is throwing a tantrum?
Trade will continue on as normal. He can’t actually unilaterally stop trade by decree but the fucking news media will never tell you that.
Everything will go through France or Portugal first.
Hope you like screw cap wine
And shitty imitation Spanish Ham from Texas
Hey Spain, please make a brand of Cava called “he is dead!”. I’ll buy a bottle and open it the day Trump dies. I’ll buy one for Putin as well, and maybe one for Orban too…
The shame I have for my country is only matched by my admiration for Spain and any other country that tells President Pedo to eat shit.
“¡Come mierda, pinche guero cagaleche!”
They aren’t even telling him to eat shit out of spite or dislike. Just being congruent in their foreign policy.
Did you mean consistent?
Congruent:
Similar to or in agreement with something, so that two things can both exist or be combined without issues.
Ah Spain, can we interest you in some Canadian products instead?
I found OJ from Spain at Costco last week
Traitor
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Oh well. Fuck the US. I’d literally take anything from Spain over anything from the USA any day.
As somebody in the US, same.
The next President is going to have so much work to do repair country relations. This man thinks he is king of the world and can do whatever he wants.
The problem is that we know what’s to blame, so I’m not sure if the next president will alter the view now in many peoples eyes.
The problem is the people. They aren’t willing to do their national duty when it’s required, including now. They’ve mouthed off for years about how they and their second amendment right stops this kind of shit happening and have always been quick to criticise other democracies about their policing, control and lack of freedom.
Still, now, the only thing that can stop this, stop it all, are the citizens of the US. They won’t do it, though, and we’ll get a heap of excuses as to why.
So no, the next president won’t make any difference to me, what will is what the American people, whose feet this squarely lies at, do about it. I don’t think I’m alone.
“thinks” the level of enabling means he is
More like the next five. All this damage is gonna take at least a generation to undo.
The sooner the US realizes there is no coming back from this, no matter who is elected in future - the better.
There is no coming back from this because US dollar dominance is waning. Internal American decay is either secondary to that, or a symptom of that, or both. That’s what’s really behind the scenes in all of this (that and Israel’s dreams of their own Zionazi Lebensraum, Eretz Israel).
The US used to be able to exert soft power to control the world, which lends itself much more towards moral superiority and an air of legitimacy than “do what I say or I bomb you or kidnap your president”. BRICS, mostly-failed Russian sanctions, and the slow death of the petrodollar are changing that ability. That they’re so desperate to maintain dominance that they now resort to borderline-world-war levels of violence is not an indicator of their strength to the world, it’s the desperate death throes of the old world order.
The important thing is that the US Empire (so Israel as well) is stopped before they can reach a fully automated army and/or police force, because that’s violence that obeys without compunction. If it reaches that point, it’s a whole different game.
Why? What does that even accomplish, the only move there is to make is to start grinding away to repair things
Cause in either 4 or 8 years the US will vote in another Trump, but younger and smarter. Trump might go someday but his bullshit, neoliberal, hypercapitalistic, super charged climate change, pro-billionaire, pro-corporation, anti-free trade ideas won’t
Yep, they’ve been voting this kind of lunatic in for years.
You’re right, they’ll do it again or won’t care.
I suspect you’re significantly more screwed than just one next president.
Insert It’s Joeover Biden meme.
Good job on Spain for having a spine
FUCK USA, FUCK ISRAEL AND FUCK IRAN regime! go fuck your selfs! People are dying for you to play games! fuck off. FUCK USA.
I stand with Spain and the rest of Europe.Fuck the Iranian government for what they did to protestors for sure, but they did nothing to start this war. We all know US / Israel doesn’t give a shit about Iranian protestors so that’s not related. It’s just another step on the path to their Zionazi Lebensraum, “Eretz Israel”.
I have bad news for you about the rest of Europe
As an Spaniard, this is the bare minimum I expect from my government. Better yet would be to evict the US from the Rota and Morón bases.
Spain is jumping a sinking ship. Kudos for being first.
Spain has finally left behind its era of servility towards the US and is beginning to act with sovereignty and in accordance with international law. It is a pity that the political opposition in Spain is siding with the country that threatens Spain and not with the legitimate government of Spain. Patriotism means defending the interests of your country’s citizens, not the interests of the country that threatens yours.
Americans will buy Iberico Ham made in Kentucky now. On more serious note, it’s easy (and cheap) to impose an economic embargo on the US, just say something their president doesn’t want to hear.
Misleading title as nothing happened yet and AFAIK he can’t. EU is a single economic zone.
This is the only comment here that matters. Nothing has happened. Nothing will happen, because Trump is going to piss his pants and scream and moan, and then all of his advisors are going to explain to him for the sixteenth time that the only want to cut off trade with Spain is to cut off trade with the entire EU. No more Ferraris and Lambos. No more guns for their Abrams tanks. No more French cheese and wine. No more US trade to a market of 450 million comparatively wealthy people.
Even the actual headline of the article reads “Trump to cut off all US trade with Spain over refusal to use military bases in Iran war”. Because it hasn’t happened yet. And it won’t. It’s just another empty threat from a pathetic, brainless coward.
That aside, his ability to impose tariffs without congress approval was just limited, right?
I’m not a US law expert but it would be weird if he couldn’t set a 20% tariff but was allowed to stop trading with a country completely.
I mean, following that line of reasoning he shouldn’t even be able to wage a war just like that, but humor me here…
He actually can implement temporary sanctions but afaik they also fall into another emergency power provision and I don’t know if they can override existing trade deals from congress.
It was legally limited but he immediately imposed new tariffs anyway.
I thought that was under a different legal pretext that caps them at max 15% and for a limited time
Correct. The USSC rejected his claim to be able to impose unlimited tariffs (under a law that says no such thing), which forced him to then rely on an entirely different law that potentially offers him the ability to impose much more restricted tariffs; 15%, for 90 days, and he has to impose them equally across all trading partners. Which is threatening to upend a bunch of the deals they already made.
It’s also likely not legal either, but it’ll have to go through the courts again. This time around it’s because the law he’s now using only applies where there is a “balance of payments” issue; basically, where the US is in danger of running out of actual physical money to make payments with. This literally cannot happen with fiat currencies; it’s a law that was designed to handle issues that can only occur with precious metal backed currencies. This a very real problem that used to happen. I think the most famous example I can bring to mind is the Opium Wars, which basically happened because Britain was buying so much tea from China, while selling them almost nothing in return, that they were running out silver to pay the Chinese with.
They could always just block everything with Spanish origin. But as long as it doesn’t say Made in Spain or clearly list the original sender, it’s easy to just route it through another EU country. Though that could be seen as avoiding an embargo? Depends on the language used I guess. Obviously the EU would not help him enact this blockade.
Doesn’t matter, because if Trump blocks trade with Spain, EU law requires that they shut down all trade with the US, period. Unified Trade Policy; you don’t get to make individual trade deals with EU member states, and you don’t get to selectively accept or reject trade with EU member states. It’s all or nothing. It would be like someone trying to block all trade with Alabama.
The EU is not going to allow falsified place-of-origin papers.
