I mean, you bought an AI fridge. That’s on you.
an 2-3k AI fridge at that.
I hope for $3000 it has a digital clock on the door. I mean, what’s the point in living if my fridge isn’t an alarm clock?
I bet it would still drift by about ten minutes a month.
Which firmware version are you on?
Sundial1.14.07
probably it uses the internet to sync with the time zone.
There are more clocks in my kitchen than in any room in the house. It’s the only room I’m never quite sure of the time in.
You need to hire a middle manager.
NO ONE COULD HAVE FORESEEN THIS RIDICULOUS INEVITABILITY
This is dumb, but what’s even dumber is making a device that can even fail in that way to start with. I’d have expected the core refrigerator function to be isolated in some way from the rest of the device.
Perhaps being able to turn the fridge off remotely was always part of the plan? We’re in the age of enshittification, where companies don’t see enforcing a mandatory subscription onto their pre-existing customers as problematic. I honestly wouldn’t put it past a modern company to keep such an ace up their sleeves just in case.
Oh but then you would own part of the device… Can’t have that
Samsung has apologized and will send engineers over the Chuseok break.
Yeah? Will those Samsung engineers also replace my spoiled food? Of course not, shame on me for buying an AI fridge I guess
Fuckers
If I bought an AI Fridge and this happened, I would most certainly immediately decide and accept “This is the direct consequence of my choices. This is my fault. I had this coming. I deserve this.”
What can an AI do for our fridge? I asked myself as I swiped my credit card for a multi thousand dollar purchase. Surely it must do something. Surely this must be an improvement on a dumb box that keeps things cold. I want to talk to my dumb box that keeps things cold, this is certainly a good idea.
Now being serious, and not reading about it, my best guess would be automated invertory ledger. Looking what you take and in what quantities, what you put in etc. and holding that. Coupled with you marking what shit should not go “out of stock”, fridge then can inform you if last piece is taken via on-door screen or an app.
Like, ding dong, Lizzy took last piece of “fuck my life cheese”. xD
That could be the best for ADHD folks, lol
i think the only way to have this is if you actually build it yourself from some kind of open source diy kit, because no company would ever sell something like this unless it could turn it into a subscription that will brick itself if you stop paying >.<
I’m assuming that the AI fridge helps you skip the ads that your IoT smart fridge plays?
You’d think so!
Unfortunately it just permanently listens to everything going on in your house, tracks every family member’s sleep cycles, eating habits, evaluates your household income based on how often it is restocked and what your brand loyalties are, then feeds all that information to a third party advertising company who sell it to the highest bidder and split the profits with smasnug before showing everyone in the home exactly the right ads to manipulate them into buying more slop.
Nothing. Is made. Correctly. Anymore. I went to school for industrial design, and I can comfortably say design and how to communicate proper use are fucking dead. Some thing or website or service is made wrong every fucking time I turn around. It is relentless and unreal.
Yup. I was always grappling with form/ function and balance that benefit the user. Seems it’s now ennshittification and subscription are the drivers.
I can see the brief now.
- Must have at least one subscription feature
- Should make the user mad
- Every aspect should have control but is… Extra bonus if does not ever en fulfil its purpose.
And don’t grey out or hide any of the subscription features, just have it not work, and let them wonder what the fuck is happening. And remove the map link. We don’t want them just, like, clicking that so they can get here easily. And make sure ads load as they scroll, so it keeps moving the page. That should happen seventeen times.
I’ve spent 20 days waiting for a part from China to (hopefully) repair my 18 year old very basic fridge because I refuse to get some stupid fucking touchscreen internet connected advertising box.
I fucking hate the modern world.
its pretty easy to get a fridge still without a touch screen. The 1st two pages on costco here (I didn’t go further) don’t have one.
You can sill get “dumb” appliances.
even fridges within the last 10-15 years are crappy. only the ones from early 2000s, or pre-2000 last a long time.
There were a ton of crappy fridges from back then, too. It’s just that most of them have already died.
The difference is almost ALL appliances built today are designed to die around the time the warranty expires. And, yes, I realize that’s been a trope for a long time, but now it’s far more true than it used to be. It used to be a joke, because it happened rarely, now it’s not a joke because it happens often.
Twenty years from now, there won’t be any appliances built today, still running.
This isn’t survivorship bias. The internet taught us that term specifically to excuse enshittification.
Thing is, they don’t have to be designed to die, or not directly anyway. As in enginees don’t usually sit around figuring out how to make a rubber seal break down at a particular speed. The product is just pushed to the absolute limits of the materials - thinnest, cheapest, fastest, and only rolled back if it widely fails and costs the manufacturer more to replace.
I guess the method doesn’t really matter when the end result is the same.
What is the benifit of AI in devices like fridges, washing machines and dish washers? We’ve had these devices for years now, even a 40 year old machine works flawlessly, just uses a bit excessive power. A fridge needs to cool, a washing machine needs to clean. They don’t need to do anything else, and they did this perfectly when we didn’t have AI.
So to my understanding, AI implemented into these machines is just a way to make it more expensive to buy, adds the option for a subscription for constant income acting as a paywall, gives the opportunity to hoard loads of data from the customers and makes it easy to brick the device just after warranty so people buy more of your devices.
TL:DR:
- Manufacturer benefits: 4
- Consumer benefits: -4
I can only think of one good reason, and only for a refrigerator: Fridges could tell you what’s inside without opening them and order shit for you automatically when low on something.
But that would require the AI to not suck complete ass at doing those things. You’re better off with just making the door see through and ordering shit when you see something low with your own eyeballs.
Ah yes, that would work great when you eat every day exactly the same. Also, telling you what’s inside without opening the door is a major improvement. I mean, you could pull a muscle opening the door. And it would save you a lot of time. The screen uses a lot more pwoerr though, but the extra money it costs per year is worth it when you have to open the door less.
It’s part of a social model that needs everyone to work, even if said work has negative value.
We as a species have the resources to create a leisure society for all.
Instead we are trying to make conscious fridges that can’t freeze things.
There is desire and benefit in these things being smart devices and AI is just the stupid label slapped on every smart device after 2024. A benefit of a smart washer is that it can, theoretically, do a more thorough and more efficient job of washing various amounts, sizes, thicknesses, and materials in the load by measuring water usage, balance, weight, and output water condition. A smart fridge can, theoretically, do some lofty things that aren’t nearly as desired as just being a media hub. Streaming videos, reordering groceries on Amazon, displaying recipes, displaying weather, displaying pictures, etc - really mor elike a tablet stuck to the fridge.
Implementation of said benefits is a different story. They are obviously consumer surveillance devices with sales pitches to make them “the best” faster than the competition.
A friend of mine had a smart washing machine with AI installed in his building as the previous machine died just after warenty. He used it once but his clothes came out dirty. He now keeps using the old machine next to it, which is roughly 30 years old, as that machine properly cleans his clothes. Why the fuck do I need to know the weather when I grab some yoghert. I have a computer in my pocket which can do everything already. I don’t like to see ads whenever I grab something out of my fridge. I prefer my fridge to live longer than 3 years, and just cool things. Why the fuck would I pay more to give it a screen, then to pay monthly not to see fucking ads.
Well, bad news fridges still won’t last long and it has nothing to do with Ai or smart features. The industry has downsized the cooling systems for efficiency and environmental factors while making things quieter. The result is higher duty cycles and insulated system compartments generally leading to shorter compressor lifespan.
But yes, I generally agree. I’m not a smart device customer.
I’ll take my dumb gadgets over this smart bs any day, thanks.
especially one that is controlled by AI.
I have smart lights that can be controlled over the internet.
If the internet connection goes down, I can also control them locally.
If the local network fails, I have physical light switches.All smart devices should fail into a safe and functional mode when the smart features inevitably stop working. It seems Samsung doesn’t subscribe to that philosophy.
All smart devices should fail into a safe and functional mode when the smart features inevitably stop working.
I’m horrified that you could possibly advocate for allowing the consumer to have any real control of their own devices. Have you considered the security implications of not requiring devices to be 100% dependent on the manufacturer’s server? Users might be able to use the device without first installing the company’s app! The user might be able to use the device without the company knowing about it and selling that data for additional profit or using it to train it’s AI.
Of course not. Failing into a safe and functional mode doesn’t get people to buy more fridges
Somehow, a billionaire will swear up and down that what you’re saying is beyond cost efficient as he donates his parent’s legacy and graves to his AI idol statues.
If you buy a refrigerator that needs an internet connection, you deserve this tbh
It’s a box that makes stuff cold for ffs ain’t no damn 1s or 0s required
There is no consumer product that needs AI except for maybe a note taker or conversation summarizer. I want my life to have less screens, not more. And I’m for god damn sure trying to create a screen free house for my kids.
Is fuzzy logic AI?
It’s nice to be able to set the degrees in Celsius.
That does requires 1s and 0s. But it doesn’t need an internet connection.
I mean, we had analog thermometers for a loooong time
Old fridges didn’t use thermostats. You just set between “min” and “max” and the temp inside the fridge would vary depending on the temp outside the fridge.
Digital fridges with thermostats to maintain a specific temp are definitely an improvement.
None of that requires AI or Internet. But it does require 1s and 0s.
I blame Gilfoyle. Fucking Gilfoyle.
Boy Lois, this is worse than the time the AI fridge called me a fatass.
“pay double for smart version, then get fucked.”
Previously it was “pay double for same quality but more popular brand”. How far advertising has progressed that people sign up for this willingly.
It is always interesting to see that this scumbag corporate behavior is only made possible by the people handing them over money.
It is the same with advertising, if i didnt know any better it appears like people want advertisements all the time.
We, the people, are always outraged. However, we, the people, also arent willing to do anything about it. The power is in our hands.
It’s a matter of thresholds and quantities. The business doesn’t need everybody to consent to its existence. It just needs to raise enough money to continue existing. And it only needs to continue existing long enough to gobble up the competition so the choice can’t be made between them and an alternative retailer the choice must be instead made between getting the thing from them or not getting the thing.
Plenty of us can opt out of patronizing these institutions but that doesn’t Force change. That’s what government is for.
We aren’t going to be able to vote with our wallets hard enough to change business practices that are abusive and toxic. We’re going to need the government to do that. That’s a substantial part of its job.
I agree. I aggressively abstain from devices that can spy on me. But the pressure to cave mounts more and more as the monopolies do their best to leave us no choice. I don’t think I could buy a new car that does not use the cell network to transmit all my data back to the manufacture for example. Even when it comes to just basic activities like going to a sporting event or booking a campsite I’m often forced to either use my phone not go at all.
Don’t buy AI hardware 😂 My god the stupidity.
They just have to add useless shit into something like a fridge and make everything “smart”. The profit margins must be so slim on any kind of standard house appliance. They can’t just seel a fridge that just keeps your food cold, isn’t too expensive, noisy, etc… because most of the offer that and they need this summers buzzword to stand out, or even to please the investors.
this it 2k-3k fridge that have ads on it.
The consumer buys that shit though.
We can create demand for normal stuff. “Do you have one without AI? I do not want AI.” Retailers take note.
AI FREAKING FRIDGES!
“Engaging lock as per your command of maximum 4 snacks per day”
Did my stairmaster talk to my fridge?
